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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:37 pm
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You can read here for example the Highway One Strat comes with a thin nitrocellulose lacquer finish.
Although I am reading here it says the new 2008 american standard strat has a "A thinner finish undercoat that lets the body breathe and improves resonance."
It says it is a "Polyurethane Finish"...

All of my strats have a polyurethane finish. (I'm buying 2 strats, both American Deluxe HSS FMT & American Standard HSS)
Does a nitrocellulose finish really make a big difference?

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I read somewhere that Fender is researching aqueous (water-based) lacquers. No nasty old solvents, just H2O!
I'm sure Fender realise the importance of traditional finishes, and it's my bet that they will or already have solved the problem.


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Post subject: Re: Nitro finish outlawed in California?
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:10 am
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Syeklops wrote:
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Naw.....I have a friend who just bought two nitro guitars (Gibson) and we live in California. I see Nitro finish guitars here all the time for sale in music shops. California is crazy.......but they haven't jumped that far over the cliff yet.


Oh yes, I understand that, but remember that Gibson guitars are made in either Nasville, TN, Memphis, TN, or somewhere in Montana. I haven't heard of any laws against nitrocellulose over in those states.

because there isnt any. not saying somwere down the road
it might happen


California is a VERY flaky state. I can't predict that by next month they won't ban pizza (they would try to save you from a heart attack). So here......you just have to go with what's today. [/quote]


while they might have good intentions, it's like in their crusade to save people...they forget the fact most don't want big brother dictating what to do and what not to do.

Anyway, if they wanted to save people they would outlaw tobacco first above all...oh wait...they collect revenue on those taxes..and lots of it.

Cali needs to seriously back off what it bans and doesnt. Can you imagine having to get an american standard w/ poly? forget about it

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I deal with air pollution laws everyday on my job as i paint for the Federal Government.
I do not paint in California but I have co-workers who do.
The Federal Government has to abid by local (that's local, state, and Ferderal laws) laws.
We use 2 part paints; polyurethane is generally 2 part.
We do not use nitro-cellulos paints.
Ican give some info on this subject.
Nitro cellulose or laquer finishes (conventional ones; I don't remember too much about acrylic laquers anymore) are a pain because they have Volitile Organic Compounds (VOCs) they mix with the air we breathe to creat smog; a major problem IN CA.
So far as I know CA. requires not only more filtration but paper work tracking use of, suppliers of, how much of, how much thinner were used to thin and to clean the equipment; you have to be open to inspection at any timeand if you screw up be ready to pay fines and/or go to jail.
So as long as you use it in accordance with law you can apply laquer all day.
Having some thing finished with laquer isn't illegal; you just have to apply it in accordance with law.


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dna9656 wrote:
I deal with air pollution laws everyday on my job as i paint for the Federal Government.
I do not paint in California but I have co-workers who do.
The Federal Government has to abid by local (that's local, state, and Ferderal laws) laws.
We use 2 part paints; polyurethane is generally 2 part.
We do not use nitro-cellulos paints.
Ican give some info on this subject.
Nitro cellulose or laquer finishes (conventional ones; I don't remember too much about acrylic laquers anymore) are a pain because they have Volitile Organic Compounds (VOCs) they mix with the air we breathe to creat smog; a major problem IN CA.
So far as I know CA. requires not only more filtration but paper work tracking use of, suppliers of, how much of, how much thinner were used to thin and to clean the equipment; you have to be open to inspection at any timeand if you screw up be ready to pay fines and/or go to jail.
So as long as you use it in accordance with law you can apply laquer all day.
Having some thing finished with laquer isn't illegal; you just have to apply it in accordance with law.

fender says once again theres NO BAN on nitro finish.


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dna9656 wrote:
I deal with air pollution laws everyday on my job as i paint for the Federal Government.
I do not paint in California but I have co-workers who do.
The Federal Government has to abid by local (that's local, state, and Ferderal laws) laws.
We use 2 part paints; polyurethane is generally 2 part.
We do not use nitro-cellulos paints.
Ican give some info on this subject.
Nitro cellulose or laquer finishes (conventional ones; I don't remember too much about acrylic laquers anymore) are a pain because they have Volitile Organic Compounds (VOCs) they mix with the air we breathe to creat smog; a major problem IN CA.
So far as I know CA. requires not only more filtration but paper work tracking use of, suppliers of, how much of, how much thinner were used to thin and to clean the equipment; you have to be open to inspection at any timeand if you screw up be ready to pay fines and/or go to jail.
So as long as you use it in accordance with law you can apply laquer all day.
Having some thing finished with laquer isn't illegal; you just have to apply it in accordance with law.


Ah-ha! Someone who knows what he's talking about. Sorted.

Now, what's this about Fender looking into waterbase? That's news. Others are doing it - rumour has it mighty Martin are using waterbase on some models, though their website is extremely cagey on the subject of finishing...


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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:50 pm
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Bahu wrote:
Syeklops wrote:
highwayoneplayer wrote:
Hi13ts wrote:
Naw.....I have a friend who just bought two nitro guitars (Gibson) and we live in California. I see Nitro finish guitars here all the time for sale in music shops. California is crazy.......but they haven't jumped that far over the cliff yet.

Cali needs to seriously back off what it bans and doesnt. Can you imagine having to get an american standard w/ poly? forget about it


No doubt, California has a definate mental disorder!

Bahu, I think the guitar u own has a poly according to what I just read on the fender site...

Does the poly breathe too or only the nitro? Maybe just less than nitro?


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cryingstrat wrote:
Fender is still using nitro. There's no way to pretend a poly finish is nitro. Believe me, if Fender advertises a nitro finish but ships a poly finish guitar...we'd be hearing the outrage from coast to coast. You can feel the difference immediately.


You're right, there's no way to mistake a nitro and a poly finish. I have both and they feel and look completely different. Nitrocellulose wears quickly but it just gives your guitar a certain mojo & soul that polyester finishes cannot duplicate.


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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:59 am
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bss wrote:
Bahu wrote:
Syeklops wrote:
highwayoneplayer wrote:
Hi13ts wrote:
Naw.....I have a friend who just bought two nitro guitars (Gibson) and we live in California. I see Nitro finish guitars here all the time for sale in music shops. California is crazy.......but they haven't jumped that far over the cliff yet.

Cali needs to seriously back off what it bans and doesnt. Can you imagine having to get an american standard w/ poly? forget about it


No doubt, California has a definate mental disorder!

Bahu, I think the guitar u own has a poly according to what I just read on the fender site...

Does the poly breathe too or only the nitro? Maybe just less than nitro?


My mimmy HSS does in fact have a poly finish, witch actually to me creates its own unique sound. While it does not breathe as well as nitro, it does give a different sustain and tonal variation....it's not all that different anyway, nitro is definately a higher quality finish however. You get a different sound with american and mexican due to finishes among other things.

Personally i would pick nitro for the hieghtened breathability and better look, but poly looks very nice as well and plays highly similiar.

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I toured the Gibson Memphis plant a few months ago. They said that Nitro is in process of being banned. He said that most manufacturers should be grandfatherd in though.


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Nitro finishes are appiled in Mexico PERIOD. The CORONA California Neck Plate is should say "Assembled in the USA". BET you that ANY Nitro painted guitars WERE painted down south of the border (ie MEXICO). A friend & I were trying to find a dealer who would sell us Nitro paint. Jesus, you think we were asking for a permit to build a nuke. We're still spraying poly car paint on them.


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dna9656 wrote:
I deal with air pollution laws everyday on my job as i paint for the Federal Government.
I do not paint in California but I have co-workers who do.
The Federal Government has to abid by local (that's local, state, and Ferderal laws) laws.
We use 2 part paints; polyurethane is generally 2 part.
We do not use nitro-cellulos paints.
Ican give some info on this subject.
Nitro cellulose or laquer finishes (conventional ones; I don't remember too much about acrylic laquers anymore) are a pain because they have Volitile Organic Compounds (VOCs) they mix with the air we breathe to creat smog; a major problem IN CA.
So far as I know CA. requires not only more filtration but paper work tracking use of, suppliers of, how much of, how much thinner were used to thin and to clean the equipment; you have to be open to inspection at any timeand if you screw up be ready to pay fines and/or go to jail.
So as long as you use it in accordance with law you can apply laquer all day.
Having some thing finished with laquer isn't illegal; you just have to apply it in accordance with law.
Sounds just like the Socialist Republic of Maryland, regulate, take, tax everything and tell the public its for the good.

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I just saw this in a Fender factory tour gallery:

http://picasaweb.google.com/meridianmusicguitars/FenderFactoryTour2006/photo#4994468097214251026


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Yeah, I've been looking at that, too! There's a WHOLE LOT of questions answered in those pics. What a great post, eh?


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