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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:44 am
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I am scratching my head a little, when people comment that they think Rod Essex (aka tenstarguitar) did a good job in painting these guitars, and that he should start a business doing so. The FAKE I sold to jkaus started CRACKING all over. This happens when a person sprays lacquer over a finish like urethane that is not prepared properly. Normally there would be a special type of sealer coat that would be the binding agent between the lacquer and the original finish. When this cracking starts happening, it is called “lacquer checking” and it is also a problem with vintage guitars that were originally shot in lacquer as well. ALL these guitars that have been sold by Rod will, after some time, crack. Some are just being better right now as the guitars are sitting in a closed case, but they will all most likely have problems down the road, especially if they are played much.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:12 pm
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He told me he had a Blue one from the same place so I bought it when I got it I had a lot of doubt because of the smell of paint .

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This was really a shock to me that you had one of these blues ones. Goes to show, or prove, he was painting, or having some one paint for him, these bodies. I was told he got mine from an estate sale. He said he was going to go to this estate sale in a few weeks, but somehow knew before going that there was a blue one (Icestorm) this the garage of the estate sale. :lol: UMMMMM :?

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:07 pm
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To muddy the waters even more Maget0 has just forwarded to me a copy of the email he received from Gruhn, which he has posted to his Ebay listing. It states without examining the guitar in person, based on the photos he thinks it is real. Xhefri probably doesn't want to get in the middle of this but, there it is....


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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:27 pm
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
To muddy the waters even more Maget0 has just forwarded to me a copy of the email he received from Gruhn, which he has posted to his Ebay listing. It states without examining the guitar in person, based on the photos he thinks it is real. Xhefri probably doesn't want to get in the middle of this but, there it is....

Just sent a message to Gruhn about his appraisal of this instrument, explaining the situation to him and directing him to this thread. If you read Gruhn's reply, he does two things: 1) States he never inspected the guitar personally, but only looked at pictures, 2) The appraisal only verifies that the guitar is a Fender Ultra with the right appointments to be so. Nothing is said about the color! So this the appraisal means nothing. It is an Ultra, obviously! What is in question is the finish! Some people love living in denial. Magnet0 told me he would not even look at this thread! When Rob suggested an the appraisal by Gruhn, I think he was talking about sending the guitar in to be examined. (Right, Rob?) That is the only way inspecting the finish could be done, just as two of us already have had done with other respected luthiers.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:59 pm
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I noticed the same things and agree with you. Glad to here you contacted Gruhn.


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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:54 pm
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Hey guys, maget0 just sent me the same email... what a JOKE!
I agree with xhefri that all this guy is trying to do is muddy the waters. He's obviously in denial but here's a suggestion. I wonder if Rob Schwarz can run a serial number check on the Fender data base to see what this guitar really should be - E 962608
If it's true that Gruhn has issued a certificate based on photo's, it leaves a lot to be desired. I recently saw a Gibson Les Paul Elegant for sale that had a letter from Gruhn. They stated the guitar was 'all factory original' yet one of the photo's in the ad clearly showed the pots & pickups were changed. If they can't pick details like that up then their reports are not worth the paper their written on.
I challenged maget0 to post a copy of the original Gruhn report. I really don't trust the guy and he may have even fabricated this whole thing! He reckons Gruhn said the pots and body are stamped '89 but I can't see a neck stamp anywhere and he calls it a 1990. The guy's mixed up!


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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:25 pm
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The thing about written appraisal certificates, whether done by pictures or in person, is that within two hours after getting it, most of the parts could be swapped out, the neck or body replaced, etc, etc.

Quite meaningless if you ask me.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:52 pm
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orvilleowner wrote:
The thing about written appraisal certificates, whether done by pictures or in person, is that within two hours after getting it, most of the parts could be swapped out, the neck or body replaced, etc, etc.

Quite meaningless if you ask me.


I totally agree with you 100%


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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:41 am
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jkaus wrote:
Hey guys, maget0 just sent me the same email... what a JOKE!
I agree with xhefri that all this guy is trying to do is muddy the waters. He's obviously in denial but here's a suggestion. I wonder if Rob Schwarz can run a serial number check on the Fender data base to see what this guitar really should be - E 962608
If it's true that Gruhn has issued a certificate based on photo's, it leaves a lot to be desired. I recently saw a Gibson Les Paul Elegant for sale that had a letter from Gruhn. They stated the guitar was 'all factory original' yet one of the photo's in the ad clearly showed the pots & pickups were changed. If they can't pick details like that up then their reports are not worth the paper their written on.
I challenged maget0 to post a copy of the original Gruhn report. I really don't trust the guy and he may have even fabricated this whole thing! He reckons Gruhn said the pots and body are stamped '89 but I can't see a neck stamp anywhere and he calls it a 1990. The guy's mixed up!


Unfortunately the Firestorms probably predate Fender's searchable database - that only goes back to some time in 1993, and they stopped taking orders for the Firestorm finish on 1/4/93 per that discontinuation sheet Rob posted on page 3 of the thread (and would only fill orders in the system on that date "based on parts availability".

It is possible that there might only be a few firestorm finish models in the searchable data, assuming they were assembled and shipped out after the system came on-line during 1993 - and there might not be any in the system if all the firestorms were completed prior to that system coming on-line ("on-line" in the traditional IT/Production usage, not "online" in the Internet usage).


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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:42 pm
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George Gruhn replied to me today. I suggested he either comment on this thread or to email magnet0 and place a disclaimer about the finish. It is obvious that magnet0 has an Ultra, but with a fake Firestorm finish… Nice he was right back in contact with me first thing this AM. He has always been a great guy to deal with.


"I appreciate this information. Unfortunately he already has a copy of an appraisal from me, but it clearly states it was done from photos only and that there is a limit to how much we can tell from photos. I will contact him promptly to let him know that we will not stand behind any appraisal stating that it is original. George Gruhn"

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:35 pm
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Just got another email from the seller. Now he's taking it to Cowtown and or Pawn Stars. :roll: I just had this thought, could they x-ray the body to see what is underneath like they do with famous artists paintings?


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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:28 pm
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I was just looking at the pictures on eBay; do I see blue paint under the red in the trem cavity? :o

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:47 pm
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I was just looking at the pictures on eBay; do I see blue paint under the red in the trem cavity? :o

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Not sure....could be reflections too. Maget0 is throwing a lot of unkind emails my way so I stopped communicating with him. I was trying to help the guy out. I mean if I was in his shoes I would at least be open minded and take a look at this thread, but then again I was in his shoes a year ago, so I kind of understand. :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:21 pm
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Is that daphne or sonic blue in the rear cover screw holes as well?


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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:31 pm
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omar59 wrote:
I was just looking at the pictures on eBay; do I see blue paint under the red in the trem cavity? :o

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GOOD EYE for the sanding marks. You can see them all over the top of this picture too. Lacquer will often "lift" sanding marks in old finish as they react to the thinner and swell up. I do not know about the blue in the holes. Email the guy on eBay (maget0) as ask him. Tell him to look at this thread. BTW, I have always been kind to him and limited my emails to him, but stopped emailing when he became abusive. Then he started emailing me again today Here is one I just received from him that said. I have done nothing to this email, what you see is EXACTLY how I received it:

hi and good
i played gibsons all my life i sed to my self let me try a fender strat ok i look on ebay
and this one jumped out at me so of corse i won the bid if i like somthing the money dont matter i wanted it im no fender guy
got the strat checked it out not the guitar for me relisted it not evin knowing about firestorm finishes just a cool looking fender to me
dont know much about fenders gibsons i do, and are the guitars i prefer so i relisted it some years latter then the $@!& hits the fan,,
its a fake so the person that i am contacts fender not knowing whats going on here sent them 20 photos to get to the bottom of this
and posted there reply that was not good enough so fenders advice to me when i recontacted them was guorg gruhn he would no
so i took it to the next level and also posted the reply, so my awnswer to you is fender says its seams to be correct and gruhn
i think they would have more knowlage about this guitar then the people calling it a fake so tell me who would u beleve if u were me
if eather or would wood have sad the finish is not correct i would chang my listing but they did not did yous people ever think it might
realy be real it is one of the frist ones as dated 1989 then changed up well live it at this for now,,,, ill do cowntown guitars next jessy
pawn stars i brought a nice marshall silver jubliee 100w off of them so we can do this again so far im batting a 100 if u belive its a fake
thats your opinion so why the bashing you have no intrest in buying this guitar,,,as far as the fender forium i dont read it nor cace about
it i just play them

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have a nice day

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