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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:36 am
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Hey Jeff, thank you for those two photos. They really help everything on this thread to fall into place. Good stuff.

BTW, I thought I was kidding when I suggested Twelvebar do it to an Ibanez. I really caught my breath for a second when scrolling down to that HM Strat...!

Anyway, it raises the stakes. Now I want Twelvebar to do a Snotstorm on an Ibanez and an HR Giger finish on a (cheap) Fender. Then go and post the pix on Harmony Central with some fake-innocent kinda text saying, 'Hey, look what I just picked up from George Gruhn'. Then we can sit back and really watch some fireworks...

Howzabout it, Twelvebar? Sir? :)

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:23 pm
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Howzabout it, Twelvebar? Sir? :)

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:42 pm
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I am still loving this thread!!! :)

But seriously I really would like to know exactly how they created the firestorm finish. Speculating is fun, but I hope someone finds out how they did it.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:22 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Anyway, it raises the stakes. Now I want Twelvebar to do a Snotstorm on an Ibanez and an HR Giger finish on a (cheap) Fender. Then go and post the pix on Harmony Central with some fake-innocent kinda text saying, 'Hey, look what I just picked up from George Gruhn'. Then we can sit back and really watch some fireworks...

Howzabout it, Twelvebar? Sir? :)

Cheers - C

LOL! :lol: :lol: You are evil! :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:50 am
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I am still loving this thread!!! :) But seriously I really would like to know exactly how they created the firestorm finish. Speculating is fun, but I hope someone finds out how they did it.

It is quite intriguing how these finishes were actually created. But it almost looks like there's a black base coat with some kind of aluminum type of material that's applied/streaked onto the guitar. Also notice how thick the candy color is, and that's what gives his guitar such an amazing depth when you look at the finish. Unfortunately because of all the hubbub surrounding these guitars right now they're not selling very good. But down the road they're going to be quite valuable and much more of a collectors item. Maybe something akin to the collect-ability of the "bowling ball" Stratocaster's of the 1980s.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:21 am
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I'm pretty confident that silver layer is very much like the silver stripe on my hardtail strat project.

Honestly I don't think this would really be all that hard of a finish to replicate.

I need to find time to finish my already long overdue projects, but I will try tackle this when I do, even if it is just on a sample block of wood.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:24 am
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Curiouser and Curiouser. :D

Seems like the "Metallic" paint was airbrushed over the Black undercoat.

What about it, a sprayable bright Metallic paint? Can it be done?

Ya-a-a-a-y......Twelvebar :!:

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:08 am
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Curiouser and Curiouser. :D

Seems like the "Metallic" paint was airbrushed over the Black undercoat.

What about it, a sprayable bright Metallic paint? Can it be done?

Ya-a-a-a-y......Twelvebar :!:

I think less and less curious, after seeing the pictures.

To me it looks like they did a solid black basecoat. Then they sprayed a silver metallic (which looks like urethane with silver metallic powder in it,) that was then disturbed while still wet, I would guess with a homemade stamp of some kind, to get the lines. Then candy red, then clearcoat.

Honestly I don't think it's that hard. Most bad Strat copies are only bad because the counterfeiters are lazy, not because they're all that hard to do.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:14 am
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No blue version was ever done.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:19 am
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No blue version was ever done.

Which simply goes to re-enforce the contention that, if one digs deep enough, you'll eventually uncover the corpse.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:44 pm
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Twelvebar wrote:
danagos wrote:
Curiouser and Curiouser. :D

Seems like the "Metallic" paint was airbrushed over the Black undercoat.

What about it, a sprayable bright Metallic paint? Can it be done?

Ya-a-a-a-y......Twelvebar :!:

I think less and less curious, after seeing the pictures.

To me it looks like they did a solid black basecoat. Then they sprayed a silver metallic (which looks like urethane with silver metallic powder in it,) that was then disturbed while still wet, I would guess with a homemade stamp of some kind, to get the lines. Then candy red, then clearcoat.

Honestly I don't think it's that hard. Most bad Strat copies are only bad because the counterfeiters are lazy, not because they're all that hard to do.

Black base coat-then a coat of silver metallic-then you use a brush to remove the silver- then your candy apple red overcoat.
Sounds like the "troll" was correct, and had the internet $@!& beat out of him by you guys for daring to have a different opinion than the well liked forum member that got duped on this deal. Sounds like the "Troll" is owed an apology from the entire forum............... JMO.


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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:11 pm
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Strataggravater wrote:
Twelvebar wrote:
danagos wrote:
Curiouser and Curiouser. :D

Seems like the "Metallic" paint was airbrushed over the Black undercoat.

What about it, a sprayable bright Metallic paint? Can it be done?

Ya-a-a-a-y......Twelvebar :!:

I think less and less curious, after seeing the pictures.

To me it looks like they did a solid black basecoat. Then they sprayed a silver metallic (which looks like urethane with silver metallic powder in it,) that was then disturbed while still wet, I would guess with a homemade stamp of some kind, to get the lines. Then candy red, then clearcoat.

Honestly I don't think it's that hard. Most bad Strat copies are only bad because the counterfeiters are lazy, not because they're all that hard to do.

Black base coat-then a coat of silver metallic-then you use a brush to remove the silver- then your candy apple red overcoat.
Sounds like the "troll" was correct, and had the internet $@!& beat out of him by you guys for daring to have a different opinion than the well liked forum member that got duped on this deal. Sounds like the "Troll" is owed an apology from the entire forum............... JMO.

What caused the troll problems was not his position on things, but his approached to dealing with them. If he would have just been decent and reasonable people would have listened more, including myself. The response by the majority of people on this forum was a simple reaction to his caustic posts, personal attacks, and deep seated conspiracy theories regarding some people, myself included, operating a counterfeiting ring making fake Firestorm and Icestorm guitars and pawning them off on people. I apologized to him for being wrong regarding the issue, but that in no way justifies the things he did to harass and accuse.

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Post subject: Re: Oh Boy! More About Firestorm finishes!
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:21 am
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1st thing--- points made, further points deleted. Blame me.

In closing, what isn't mentioned is that when our entire Consumer Relations Dept. is aware of this subject due to continuous multiple phone calls and communications throughout the corporate office.......it is overboard (and that is stating it kindly) and the propagator of those communications is out of line.

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Posting about guitars and methodology of building them is perfectly acceptable content (regardless of the color btw).
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