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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:08 am
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Do you really think that we are somehow too stupid to know that they are artificially worn? ...



Weeeeellllllll.....

You might be assuming facts not in evidence.... :roll: :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:30 am
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↑ ↑ ↑ ↑

Of course, this is just to inject a little Humor and not real...

Not that you're too stupid to know or anything... :)

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:02 am
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ebaysux wrote:
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That is also exactly what most people who object to relics take issue with ... that it takes extra effort (and expense) to make it look like something it is not ... in other words that it is fake


So I guess I did not understand this? ^

And if you are growing tired of this issue by all means stop responding. But I still do not understand how you or "Frank" think something that has been going on for like 30 years is a "fad". And as far as discussing the actual "merits of guitars"....what exactly does that mean? Are you insinuating that relics are not guitars, but fakes?

If you are going to post these types of statements then either be prepared to back them up, or face the fact that you are out of your element and gracefully concede :twisted:

My take on this is that BMW-KTM is saying the artificial wear on the guitar is fake not the guitar itself, that would make no sence to take the meaning as a fake guitar.

This post has headed for Fail the last couple pages. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:31 pm
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cvilleira wrote:
ebaysux wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
That is also exactly what most people who object to relics take issue with ... that it takes extra effort (and expense) to make it look like something it is not ... in other words that it is fake


So I guess I did not understand this? ^

And if you are growing tired of this issue by all means stop responding. But I still do not understand how you or "Frank" think something that has been going on for like 30 years is a "fad". And as far as discussing the actual "merits of guitars"....what exactly does that mean? Are you insinuating that relics are not guitars, but fakes?

If you are going to post these types of statements then either be prepared to back them up, or face the fact that you are out of your element and gracefully concede :twisted:

My take on this is that BMW-KTM is saying the artificial wear on the guitar is fake not the guitar itself, that would make no sence to take the meaning as a fake guitar.

This post has headed for Fail the last couple pages. :shock:


So someone needed to post that "artificial" wear is "fake"? Brilliant !!!!

And did you know that a circle is round? :roll:

But aside from posting the obvious that example is all semantics. If the only purpose was to insult a guitar "finish" that would be one thing....but here is what REALLY went down...

BMW-KTM wrote:
Normally I see a relic and I secretly wanna make the L sign on my forehead.

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I see a relic like THIS one and now I wanna meet the person who did it so I can say,
"You must be two people, one couldn't be that stupid."

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Geckochameleon wrote:
If it's not from natural use over time, then it's lame. End of story. And to overpay for that lameness, is pathetic. End of second story.


Lightnin MN wrote:
All it proves is that Fender agrees with, and is capitalizing on, P.T. Barnum's assertion that: "There's one born every minute..." :wink:

The thing that really brought home how ridiculous this whole Relic thing is was when we had a member post concern that his Relic'd Guitar was starting to show wear... !! :lol:


grainslayer wrote:
...I still can't believe that people pay good money to have the fender custom shop relic a beautiful high end instrument which to me is worse than messing up an "average" guitar. :?


Geckochameleon wrote:

Agreed with the other poster who has indicated that Fender has figured out that suckers will overpay for fake mojo. What else is relicing but fake mojo?

And who needs fake mojo? Posers do.


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My observation is that people who do prize Style over Proficiency usually play worse than an 8 y.o. in their 3rd week of lessons.



I could keep going but what is the point?

But unless you are totally LYING to yourself....tell me if those comments were jabbing at the guitar...or the owner? HONESTLY.

If someone does not like relics fine...good for them. No one is forcing them to buy one. But when they personally insult others just because they do...I have a huge mass of bones to pick with them and am also kind of dumbfounded that some have so much hate and vitriol for others that share the love of Fenders and music. I just do not get this kind of bitterness. Maybe I am not old enough yet to understand? Is that what it is...people get old and cranky and bitter and judgmental like this? If that is the case I do not belong on this forum.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:38 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
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...something that has been going on for like 30 years ....
1998.
That was the year relics first appeared in the regular Fender catalog. Also introduced to the catalog that year were other two finishes: NOS and Closet Classic, neither of which proved to be very popular compared to the relic treatment. Prior to 1998 if you wanted a relic you had to order a Custom Shop guitar. Ask me how I know that. It's because I have been around long enough to remember so please do not try to imply I don't know what I'm talking about. Thank you.


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...face the fact that you are out of your element and gracefully concede
And there we see it again. The relic crowd directing comments at the man instead of the issue.

And with that I take my leave of this conversation and of you. Continue to speak ill of me all you wish.


Good then leave it. But you are not going to get the last word unless you put me in my place.....

I do not care when Fender put the first relic in their catalog. It was being done YEARS before that. And you also helped MAKE my point that this is not a "fad"..you do realize 1998 was over 16 years ago and Fender usually takes at least 10 years to catch on to anything?

And I do not wish to speak of you badly in any way but YOU are the one that CHOSE upon your OWN FREE WILL to insult, belittle and "denigrate" others just because they like relics. So stand your ground or concede. If I was proven wrong I would just concede as gracefully as possible rather then to continually insert my foot deeper into my mouth.

So you and the 2 or 3 other "relic haters" on this forum need to chill the $@!& out already...please. Unless we should all start insulting others who like signature series and artist series and call them all a bunch of fakes and poseurs who only by signature series guitars because they play like 8 year olds? Or call them suckers for spending more when they can buy any old boring same as anyone has guitar for less money? How do you think that would pan out on the forums? Have some empathy and stop being a tool.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:25 pm
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Ron G you should not take opinions to heart. Having to get the last word is ridiculous, if someone thinks that is needed to win and argument is unfortunate.

Myself being someone who has no problem with corporate relics or signature guitars even though I would not spend for either the look or name tied too one. It is a good source for marketing instead of selling under the pretext of available options to stock units. Using a popular name or look to a product just adds to the preception of value which is good business sense. You have to fill the gap for those who go for such things.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:23 pm
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FYI,

I want to be polite and kind, but I will NOT concede anything. I do believe relics are foolish, and that their owners are as well. Period. I don't care what you think about it. My post that you quoted that says that paying for fake mojo is lame? That was honesty, and for ME, the truth (for ME, the truth). Relics are a fool's folly, period.

You don't like that opinion? Good for you. I don't care what you think.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:33 pm
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I really dislike Sunburst guitars. Surely the owners of these instruments know that they're not fooling anyone but themselves. To own a guitar that has had fake grime applied is just lame. Some players actually think that to do this to a perfectly good natural wood guitar, will somehow give it the integrity of an aged stringed instrument. I look forward to the day that this ridiculous fad is over.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:37 pm
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Really? Purposefully rusting components, gouging and sanding new finishes, cigarette burns,....versus a sunburst finish. Point NOT made.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:39 pm
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Sunburst are an early form of relicing. It just a matter of degree.
Point perfectly made. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:47 pm
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False. And the degrees ARE the key here. Apple's and oranges, but believe whatever floats your boat. Relic-ing is lame, period.

A sunburst is a style of finish. When you then take that newly completed finish, and gouge it, burn it, sand it, and artificially weather it, you have a "relic", i.e. a piece of garbage.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:57 pm
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:lol: Mate, I'm just challenging some extremist views here. Where do you draw the line? Everyone will have a different opinion.
Which of the various shades of white plastic Fender parts are acceptable?


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:03 pm
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Taking a new finish, and breaking out out a blow torch, lit cigarette, screwdriver or sandpaper on the completed finish, then charging a sucker $2,000.00 extra for it? That's where I draw the line.

Let's make a deal. If anyone here would like, I would gladly rub dirt onto their new guitar, rust some parts in coca cola for a couple of days, spit on it, and call it names, for $2,000.00. Any takers?


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:16 pm
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Some people love relics. Some hate 'em. My views are pretty moderate. We could have this conversation at the pub and have a good laugh. I'm not trying to upset you mate. Like I said, it's a matter of degree. Your opinions seem extreme to me. I'm throwing in a few thoughts, nothing more.
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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:34 pm
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In other words, this gauge was made by a moron (IQ 50-70).


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