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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:55 am
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Ebaysux, feel free to have your opinion. I won't denigrate you for it the way you do to me, as I am a mature adult.

Agreed with the other poster who has indicated that Fender has figured out that suckers will overpay for fake mojo. What else is relicing but fake mojo?

And who needs fake mojo? Posers do.




You are the one who is denigrating others. I should not have to waste my time on this fourm trying to explain that just because people like things that you don't does not mean they are fools and losers and suckers and fakes etc etc. Grow up. It is obvious and self evident that many many many people like relics. Can't they enjoy that without insults and criticism? All you need to say is something like "it is not my cup of tea" and then I would not have to point out that you and some others are being kind of condescending, generalizing, judgmental and self righteous douches.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:57 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
...I prefer my automotive "relic" to be fully road-worthy......

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Simply Gorgeous !!

Though 20 years younger, mine is nonetheless equally iconic... and FUN !! :D :D :D

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:15 am
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Outstanding!

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:16 am
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Ebaysux,

Agreed. I will simply state that relics "are not my cup of tea". ...and I'll just leave this here...


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:17 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
...I prefer my automotive "relic" to be fully road-worthy......

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Arjay



Simply Gorgeous !!

Though 20 years younger, mine is nonetheless equally iconic... and FUN !! :D :D :D

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cheers!


Both are beautiful but I would not exactly compare them to a "relic". However that said I have been in the muscle car business before and restored quite a few. One that is slightly worn but all original is worth more then a mint one that is not original. But that said it is not the same thing as a piece of painted wood that gets banged around and worn from use. Perhaps if winning race car drivers never had the bodies repaired there would be a trend to drive around banged up looking cars lol.

Here is a pic of one of my "hot rods"...

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I found this one is Tennessee for $1200. Took a few years and a few thousand to get her into this shape but well worth it.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:20 am
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^ That is beautiful.....


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:30 am
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Ebaysux,

Agreed. I will simply state that relics "are not my cup of tea". ...and I'll just leave this here...


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It does not matter to me if you like relics or not or what you think of them. That is your right and certainly we are permitted to express opinions here. It is only when we read that anyone is personally insulting people just because they do not understand that each of us see beauty in different things and that is when it gets offensive and is inappropriate for this forum.

And it is personally offensive to me as I like and appreciate relics. I wish I could afford a collection of naturally worn 50s and 60s guitars but that is not yet the case or if I was old enough to have been playing the same guitar that came with a nitro finish for 40-50 years.

Now I also understand there are some really poorly done relics or like the post here someone who did not even relic it but simply sanded a section off the back thinking that it would magically make them sound like SRV...and the reason so many relics are done poorly is because to do it right is an art form. Many things including furniture, wall and floors in homes people pay professionals to "antique" it since it is too expensive are hard to find original but they want the look. If they did it themselves it would look like crap but when done professionally can look great and cost a lot less then using an actual antique.

It does not bother me what other people like and I do not call people fools and chumps and losers and suckers just because they want something they can't afford an original of so go the next best route and have a professional hand made replica. Big friggen deal as long as they are not trying to re-sell it to you as an original how does it in any way effect you??

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:41 am
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Geckochameleon wrote:
^ That is beautiful.....


Thanks. That is an example of "personalizing" something. I could have done a factory type "restoration" and it would be worth a lot more but I went the route of what most people did with GTO's of the era. Rims and tires and rebuilt a 455 with serious hi-po parts as an engine swap... and added some chrome. I also converted the column shift to a floor shift...changed the body color from a pale yellow to gloss black, and I dyed the interior from an ugly olive green to black. All that matters is that I like it as it is mine. A few have criticized me for not leaving it original but my answer to them is..."go buy an original one then".

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:00 am
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Original or not, I'd be SO proud to own that.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:33 am
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ebaysux wrote:
It is only when we read that anyone is personally insulting people just because they do not understand that each of us see beauty in different things and that is when it gets offensive and is inappropriate for this forum.
Very well said but what some people seem to have forgotten is that it is a double edged sword. It cuts both directions. Relic lovers who wish to insult those who merely point out the blatantly obvious should remember that fact. It is blatantly obvious that relics have been artificially distressed in order to look like something which they are not; old and worn. That is a perfect example of the word fake. Blatantly obvious. If you want to point fingers then allow me to point out there have already been one or two comments from relic lovers on this thread which went beyond simply stating an opinion about the guitars and instead attacked people directly. There have been hundreds of such comments if you take into account all the threads on this forum that have ever touched on the subject matter. Please do not try to imply that the relic lovers are the only ones taking the high road. Thank you.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:40 am
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BMW-KTM,

Please allow me to point out that you have the single coolest avatar on any forum, ever.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:04 pm
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BMW-KTM,

Please allow me to point out that you have the single coolest avatar on any forum, ever.


Thanks! I assume you mean my Foot-Stompin Keef. That is a really, really, REALLY old animated GIF I found so many years ago most people were still trying to understand what the internet really was. The guy who created it was a british dude who sort of dropped off the internet shortly after he told me I could download it. Prolly 1994 or 1995? I have not seen the same GIF anywhere else.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:07 pm
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ebaysux wrote:
It is only when we read that anyone is personally insulting people just because they do not understand that each of us see beauty in different things and that is when it gets offensive and is inappropriate for this forum.
Very well said but what some people seem to have forgotten is that it is a double edged sword. It cuts both directions. Relic lovers who wish to insult those who merely point out the blatantly obvious should remember that fact. It is blatantly obvious that relics have been artificially distressed in order to look like something which they are not; old and worn. That is a perfect example of the word fake. Blatantly obvious. If you want to point fingers then allow me to point out there have already been one or two comments from relic lovers on this thread which went beyond simply stating an opinion about the guitars and instead attacked people directly. There have been hundreds of such comments if you take into account all the threads on this forum that have ever touched on the subject matter. Please do not try to imply that the relic lovers are the only ones taking the high road. Thank you.


Well I for one do not speak for all "relic lovers" as you put it but understand that many people do like old looking things that were made to look that way due to the expense or rarity of finding/owning something that aged naturally over time. I don't feel it is right to PERSONALLY insult people just because of that...which was clearly and blatantly done here. If any "relic lover" came onto this forum and insulted people for buying Eric Clapton guitars and calling them a sucker and poser and Clapton wannabee I would jump right down their throats just as quickly even though I personally do not like the tone of Clapton at all. We can give opinions and debates without personal insults and trying to hurt others feelings or getting into some kind of "pissing match" just because some forum members simply fail to understand why others like relics or anything else for that matter.

Not to mention there are talented people who are making a living with relics and selling relic parts etc and I am sure they do not appreciate coming to this forum as a Fender enthusiast only to find a handful of members are calling them and their customers losers and posers etc etc (and to consider Fender themselves sells relics and aged parts)..I think you get the point but if not then you simply do not understand the market and hobby/craft at all. But really it all comes down to respect bottom line... Even Aretha Franklyn knows this :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:14 pm
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Ebaysux,

I truly think that there are far more than a "handful" of forum members that have disdain for the whole idea of relics. I DO get what you're saying about appreciating the look,...I really DO get that.

I have a great deal of trouble swallowing the whole idea of relics. Taking a beautiful new $1,500.00 (or so) Strat, and "aging" it to make it a $3,300.00 custom shop item. For the manufacturers, it's great business, and great business is where you find it.

I rarely,.....RARELY have such strong opinions on things, but to me, this is tantamount to taking a beautiful young woman, leaving her in the sun on a desert island for a year to weather her skin to approximate an old crone, all because you "dig older chicks".

I don't get it,...never will,...and DO have much disdain for the whole idea of it. Calling such owners "posers",...well, I'll watch that in the future.

Long story short, I stick by my opinion,....vehemently. But the delivery of same could've been better, I'll grant you.


P.S. This article sums my feelings up perfectly.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:36 pm
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ebaysux wrote:
It is only when we read that anyone is personally insulting people just because they do not understand that each of us see beauty in different things and that is when it gets offensive and is inappropriate for this forum.
Very well said but what some people seem to have forgotten is that it is a double edged sword. It cuts both directions. Relic lovers who wish to insult those who merely point out the blatantly obvious should remember that fact. It is blatantly obvious that relics have been artificially distressed in order to look like something which they are not; old and worn. That is a perfect example of the word fake. Blatantly obvious. If you want to point fingers then allow me to point out there have already been one or two comments from relic lovers on this thread which went beyond simply stating an opinion about the guitars and instead attacked people directly. There have been hundreds of such comments if you take into account all the threads on this forum that have ever touched on the subject matter. Please do not try to imply that the relic lovers are the only ones taking the high road. Thank you.

Very well said My friend. I have never understood the relic fad but if it helps make money for some why not.

That said I like the car pics having built (1) Chevelle SS, (2) Nova's (2) Duster's , (1) Dart many years ago and I upgraded everything I could on them because fact is no car from the 60's or 70's can compare to the ride of a modern vehicle.
I'm getting old and like My Trucks now days but also enjoy driving My slightly modified
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