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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:03 pm
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If it's not from natural use over time, then it's lame. End of story. And to overpay for that lameness, is pathetic. End of second story.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:56 pm
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Dude, I hope the automobile manufacturers don't get wind of this relic thing and start bending the fenders and breaking the windshields on the new cars so that they have more market appeal. :? :? :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:30 pm
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Dude, I hope the automobile manufacturers don't get wind of this relic thing and start bending the fenders and breaking the windshields on the new cars so that they have more market appeal. :? :? :lol: :lol:


Actually it has been popular for years. They are called "rat rods" and the older and more decrepit you get it to look...the better...

However manufacturers have not caught on but when you look at the success of such vehicles as the PT cruiser, Chevy HHR and Camaro, Ford Mustang, Dodge Challanger etc,,,it seems "retro" is here to stay.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:30 pm
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The ironic thing about the current Relic trend is that people are willing to pay xtra to get a pre-abused guitar.

But, when buying a used guitar, as demonstrated by the many NGD announcements we see here, these buyers are looking for the cleanest examples they can find. People often state their intention to clean it up, replace the PG or otherwise try and get it closer to As New condition. :roll:

Another irony is that there seems to be no market whatever for relic'd Amps. You'd think, based on the demand for relic'd guitars, that torn Tolex. ripped Grillcloth, tarnished Brightwork and illegible Knobs would be all the rage ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:32 pm
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If it's not from natural use over time, then it's lame. End of story. And to overpay for that lameness, is pathetic. End of second story.


I think if you look at the sales of "relics" from fender and others that have been doing quite lucrative off the sale of "relics", it would seem self evident that your personal opinion is just that...end of all stories.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:36 pm
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The ironic thing about the current Relic trend is that people are willing to pay xtra to get a pre-abused guitar.

But, when buying a used guitar, as demonstrated by the many NGD announcements we see here, these buyers are looking for the cleanest examples they can find. People often state their intention to clean it up, replace the PG or otherwise try and get it closer to As New condition. :roll:

Another irony is that there seems to be no market whatever for relic'd Amps. You'd think, based on the demand for relic'd guitars, that torn Tolex. ripped Grillcloth, tarnished Brightwork and illegible Knobs would be all the rage ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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So explain why Fender has been so successful for years and years and years asking those high prices for everything from the "road worns" to the "relics". Please...explain it to us like we are 6 year olds.

Is there a chance that perhaps Fender understands something about the market that those posting about their "NGD", or those bashing relics do not?

And perhaps your suggestion of a "road worn" series amplifier line is not such a bad idea. I mean think about it. Most of their most desirable amps are "reissues"..are we onto something? :mrgreen:

That said, I don't think I will be the first to tear the grill cloth and tolex off a new reissue amp to find out....but certainly the most desirable of the desirable amps from Fender are certainly the older originals and most will certainly look pretty beat up if not restored.

Now compare the price of a new twin reverb to an original and I think you might begin to get it...or then again maybe not.....this is a tough crowd to convince of anything regardless of the empirical evidence. Also to add....this is not a current "trend"..old beat up looking guitars have been respected and desired by many for decades and decades. I can't be the only one on the forum beside Fender themselves who notices this fact.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:35 pm
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ebaysux wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
The ironic thing about the current Relic trend is that people are willing to pay xtra to get a pre-abused guitar.

But, when buying a used guitar, as demonstrated by the many NGD announcements we see here, these buyers are looking for the cleanest examples they can find. People often state their intention to clean it up, replace the PG or otherwise try and get it closer to As New condition. :roll:

Another irony is that there seems to be no market whatever for relic'd Amps. You'd think, based on the demand for relic'd guitars, that torn Tolex. ripped Grillcloth, tarnished Brightwork and illegible Knobs would be all the rage ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

cheers!


So explain why Fender has been so successful asking those high prices for everything from the "road worns" to the "relics". Is there a chance that perhaps Fender understands something about the market that those posting about their "NGD" do not?

And perhaps your suggestion of a "road worn" series amplifier line is not such a bad idea. I mean think about it. Most of their most desirable amps are "reissues"..are we onto something? :mrgreen:

That said I don;t think I will be the first to tear the grill cloth and tolex off a new amp to find out....but certainly the most desirable of the desirable amps from Fender are certainly the older originals and most will certainly look pretty beat up if not restored.

Now compare the price of a new twin reverb to an original and I think you might begin to get it...or then again maybe not.....this is a tough crowd to convince of anything regardless of the empirical evidence.



All it proves is that Fender agrees with, and is capitalizing on, P.T. Barnum's assertion that: "There's one born every minute..." :wink:

The thing that really brought home how ridiculous this whole Relic thing is was when we had a member post concern that his Relic'd Guitar was starting to show wear... !! :lol:

So far as Vintage Amps go, here's a couple I own:

1967 Fender Deluxe Blackface

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1973 Princeton Reverb Silverface

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Certainly neither of these looks "pretty beat up...", despite having never been 'restored'.

And there are several here who own even more pristine examples.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:43 pm
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They don't get much sweeter than these!

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:18 pm
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Sweet ride :D :D
...I still can't believe that people pay good money to have the fender custom shop relic a beautiful high end instrument which to me is worse than messing up an "average" guitar. :?


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:45 pm
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Let's not forget that the Kar Kulture Krowd jury-rigs cars that are just barely street worthy. Most of them are so low to the ground they would get high centred on a speed bump and so uncomfortable to ride in that my back gets sore just thinking about it, not to mention with such poor visibility that they are arguably a danger on the road. These people clearly favour form over function at any cost so I don't know if it's really a positive thing for "pro-relic" folks to make that comparison.

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:56 pm
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Let's not forget that the Kar Kulture Krowd jury-rigs cars that are just barely street worthy. Most of them are so low to the ground they would get high centred on a speed bump and so uncomfortable to ride in that my back gets sore just thinking about it, not to mention with such poor visibility that they are arguably a danger on the road. These people clearly favour form over function at any cost so I don't know if it's really a positive thing for "pro-relic" folks to make that comparison.


+1000

I prefer my automotive "relic" to be fully road-worthy......

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:48 pm
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Ebaysux, feel free to have your opinion. I won't denigrate you for it the way you do to me, as I am a mature adult.

Agreed with the other poster who has indicated that Fender has figured out that suckers will overpay for fake mojo. What else is relicing but fake mojo?

And who needs fake mojo? Posers do.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:03 pm
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It's a shame that some are so insecure that they would denigrate those that like the relics. The twelve-year-old school-yard routine is sad. :roll:

I like relics a lot, and I don't give a rats-ass who disapproves. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:22 am
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I will say that when I played a '50s Road Worn Strat, the neck felt really broken in. It was very comfortable.


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Post subject: Re: Bad American Strat relic job
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:31 am
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I honestly could give a Rodent's Posterior whether someone likes Relics or not...

All a part of our brave 'New World' where everyone gets a Trophy I guess...

'Look like SRV... and you'll play like SRV... ??'

C'mon.... :roll:

My observation is that people who do prize Style over Proficiency usually play worse than an 8 y.o. in their 3rd week of lessons.

Why do so many people today choose to live their lives vicariously to the dictates of some Marketing Guy.. ??

Don't they appreciate the sense of accomplishment that comes with putting in the work..??

And, if people are kidding themselves about something so unimportant as a guitar, just think what else in their lives that they're also kidding themselves about..??

That would all be Well & Good were it not for the fact that many of the things they're kidding themselves about also affect the rest of us... such as in the Polling Booth... !!

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