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Post subject: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:14 am
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I've got a 2013 American Deluxe SSS Alder/Rosewood with Sunburst finish. I just got it in February but have yet to really bond with it. The thing plays great for the most part, and the pickups are definitely noiseless as advertised but that's the problem I suppose. I like to play noisy dirty blues based rock a la Hendrix and this guitar just doesn't seem to be able to give me the sound I'm looking for. The S1 switch is a good idea in theory but doesn't seem to add any useful sounds.

One obvious option is just changing out the pickups, but other than that I've considered trading it in for a 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat. The one based off the modern American Standard, not the '54 reissue. This guitar appears to have the same compound radius fretboard and contoured neck joint as the American Deluxe, both features that I love, but with more traditional sounding pickups. Does anybody have this guitar? How does this guitar compare to the American Deluxe? Does the gold hardware add maintenance to keep it it good shape? This guitar seems to combine all the characteristics I love about the American Standard and American Deluxe. Only thing I wish it had was locking tuners. How are the Special Design 1954 pickups? Are they from the custom shop?

Which guitar will hold it's value better in the resale market down the road? I know neither will be sought after by collectors during my lifetime.


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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:40 pm
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Resale value of any modern Fender guitar will be affected by the same things that affect the value of vintage Fender guitars. The only real question is how much these things affect value.

Factors include:

genuine Fender product or fake
condition of the guitar and all components
lack of or condition of the original case
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any and all modifications from stock

As the AD is relative high up on the price spectrum I think I would pause and give serious thought before hacking it up with mods that cannot be undone such as pickup swaps. Sure, you could put the originals back in but there would always be evidence that the factory solder connections had been disturbed and that would adversely affect it's resale value. Clearly it would mean less to the value of a modern guitar than to a vintage guitar but it would still mean something. It would not be nothing.

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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:42 pm
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etr102 wrote:
I've got a 2013 American Deluxe SSS Alder/Rosewood with Sunburst finish. I just got it in February but have yet to really bond with it. The thing plays great for the most part, and the pickups are definitely noiseless as advertised but that's the problem I suppose. I like to play noisy dirty blues based rock a la Hendrix and this guitar just doesn't seem to be able to give me the sound I'm looking for. The S1 switch is a good idea in theory but doesn't seem to add any useful sounds.

One obvious option is just changing out the pickups, but other than that I've considered trading it in for a 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat. The one based off the modern American Standard, not the '54 reissue. This guitar appears to have the same compound radius fretboard and contoured neck joint as the American Deluxe, both features that I love, but with more traditional sounding pickups. Does anybody have this guitar? How does this guitar compare to the American Deluxe? Does the gold hardware add maintenance to keep it it good shape?
gold look bad after many years IMO


This guitar seems to combine all the characteristics I love about the American Standard and American Deluxe. Only think I wish it has was locking tuners. How are the Special Design 1954 pickups? Are they from the custom shop?

Which guitar will hold it's value better in the resale market down the road? I know neither will be sought after by collectors during my lifetime.
Who knows ?


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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:44 pm
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As far as which will hold value more?
I don't think that would be an issue.
I expect they would devalue at about the same rate and the value of both guitars would be entirely dependant on the purchaser's level of desire.

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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:47 pm
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What about the pickups in the 60th Anniversary Commemorative? The Fender.com specs list them as "Special-Design 1954 Strat Single-Coil." Anybody have any experience how they sound? Better or worse than the N3's? Better Or Worse than the CS Fat-50s?


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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:49 pm
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etr102 wrote:
What about the pickups in the 60th Anniversary Commemorative? The Fender.com specs list them as "Special-Design 1954 Strat Single-Coil." Anybody have any experience how they sound? Better or worse than the N3's? Better Or Worse than the CS Fat-50s?



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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:56 pm
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You will always take a bath when trading in a guitar (or anything else for that matter) If the only real issue with bonding with a guitar that as you say "Plays great" is the pick-ups, why not just get another pickgaurd, load it with the pickups you want and drop it in?

In the long run, it will be cheaper then the loss you will take on the trade in, and you can always sell that load noiseless s1 on e-bay, heck you might just break even on the deal.

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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:46 pm
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You might get lucky, but I think the Special Design '54 pups are a little too new for you to get much feedback. I'd recommend looking for video on youtube.
As for whether to mod your guitar or not, I say go for it. If it was a masterbuilt CS, I'd say keep it pristine. But a production guitar is for enjoying, and if the old geezer that gets it 25 years from now doesn't like it, screw him. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:25 pm
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etr102 wrote:
I've got a 2013 American Deluxe SSS...I've considered trading it in for a 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat....Does anybody have this guitar? How does this guitar compare to the American Deluxe?...


I have both an Am Dlx HSS, and the 60th Ann Commemorative, both great guitars.

As to resale value, the Dlx's are a dime-a-dozen compared to the 60th Comm which is only made one year, so I would expect the Comm to have a better resale value.

I give the nod to the Dlx for versatility, especially with the hum-bucker, S-1 and passing lane switch. I guess that doesn't really compare to the SSS though, and I prefer the CS '54's to noiseless pups. The '54's are really sweet for clean sound, and they just have a crisp, full-bodied pop to them. When using drive/distortion, the '54's are equally as sweet, and again, better than noiseless.

Considering that the Comm has many of the same features as the Dlx, better pups, better resale value, I would trade in a Dlx SSS for the Comm without hesitation.

This isn't much, but I made a couple of sound samples of the Comm with a '68 Bassman. Imagine this guitar in the hands of someone that can really play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT5910rF194

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIJyQWq6U3M

As far as looks.......well, I really, really like the Comm. :D Sweetwater took the pics of my guitar before they sent it to me.
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Am Dlx...still :)
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:26 am
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shimmilou wrote:
etr102 wrote:
I've got a 2013 American Deluxe SSS...I've considered trading it in for a 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat....Does anybody have this guitar? How does this guitar compare to the American Deluxe?...


I have both an Am Dlx HSS, and the 60th Ann Commemorative, both great guitars.

As to resale value, the Dlx's are a dime-a-dozen compared to the 60th Comm which is only made one year, so I would expect the Comm to have a better resale value.

I give the nod to the Dlx for versatility, especially with the hum-bucker, S-1 and passing lane switch. I guess that doesn't really compare to the SSS though, and I prefer the CS '54's to noiseless pups. The '54's are really sweet for clean sound, and they just have a crisp, full-bodied pop to them. When using drive/distortion, the '54's are equally as sweet, and again, better than noiseless.

Considering that the Comm has many of the same features as the Dlx, better pups, better resale value, I would trade in a Dlx SSS for the Comm without hesitation.

This isn't much, but I made a couple of sound samples of the Comm with a '68 Bassman. Imagine this guitar in the hands of someone that can really play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT5910rF194

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIJyQWq6U3M


I appreciate the reply! Exactly the info I'm looking for. The Youtube clips are great as well. I love Blackfoot in the second one.

Any other opinions from people who own the 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat?


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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:24 pm
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Hi there I don't own one but here is a great demo by Neville Marten on all three
Warning content likely to cause extreme case of GAS!
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guita ... at-598198/
It has been posted before.
If you do a search on youtube there are plenty more.
Fender are making a lot of strats so the new ones are unlikely to fetch the high value the rare vintage ones do, so I would not be too concerned about perceived value however the 60th would be "worth" slightly more for resale than the HSS deluxe in years to come.
Note the 60th has a maple fretboard so why not one of each!
Be prepared to cut your losses if you sell the deluxe. :D


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Post subject: Re: Considering trading in my American Deluxe
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:33 am
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shimmilou wrote:
I have both an Am Dlx HSS, and the 60th Ann Commemorative, both great guitars...As to resale value, the Dlx's are a dime-a-dozen compared to the 60th Comm which is only made one year, so I would expect the Comm to have a better resale value...


I don't know that I agree with you.

To my knowledge, Fender has not capped production of the Comm. '54 except to say it'll be a one year issue.

But, to Fender a one year issue covers some 18-24 mos. of production, at least that's been so in the past. Note: NONE of the Big Box stores are indicating any sort of exclusive or limited availability suggesting that Fender will crank out as many as it can sell in the given period.

I have a Telebration Empress Telecaster, and production for that has a definite cap of 300 produced in Vintage White and 300 in Burst, so 300 or 600 total production (depending on how you look at it)... Much more exclusive than the '54 Comm. (since Fender never announced intended Total Production).

If you had one of the first 54 produced, maybe.

I doubt the '54 Commemorative will be worth more than an Am. Dlx. through the years, ... at least not for several decades... if then.

Still, both very nice guitars !

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:36 am
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I do remember reading that the Comm would only be produced for one year. No other Fender Anniversary model has been produced for more than that one year. It is possible that some, or all of the unique features might be continued in subsequent years, but I doubt it. I would expect a return to the "regular" Am Std after 2014. Even though the regular production serial numbers carry over into the next year, I am sure that the badge and neck plate will not, only being used for 2014.

You might be correct about the resale value, time will tell, but my money is on the Comm because it is a more rare, limited production as compared to a Dlx.

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:07 am
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shimmilou wrote:
I do remember reading that the Comm would only be produced for one year. No other Fender Anniversary model has been produced for more than that one year. It is possible that some, or all of the unique features might be continued in subsequent years, but I doubt it. I would expect a return to the "regular" Am Std after 2014. Even though the regular production serial numbers carry over into the next year, I am sure that the badge and neck plate will not, only being used for 2014.

You might be correct about the resale value, time will tell, but my money is on the Comm because it is a more rare, limited production as compared to a Dlx.


You may be confusing 'Model Year' with a Calendar Year. :?

The Telebration Series was produced to Commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Telecaster - 1951-2011.

But these were actually produced from approx. August, 2010 through July 2012.

My Telebration Empress Telecaster was produced in April 2012... but it is a 2011 Model.

The difference is that from the outset, Fender stated that only 300 of the Empress (in Vintage White) Telecasters would be produced.

Fender never stated that there would be any limit to the numbers of 60th anniversary Standard Stratocasters produced.

In future, there are likely to be many more of them out in the Market than people suspect.

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:51 pm
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:?: No, it is an ann "model", specific to one year, period. There will be no 60th Ann logo, emblem or badge on guitars produced next year, or the year after, etc. It will not be 18 to 24 months, it is not a regular production guitar. Serial numbers on regular production models do not go for 18 to 24 months anyway, it is still only one year, from about March of one year to March of the next year. It's not a Telebration, it's not an invitation, it's not even a pontification, it is an anniversary model, one year and out. :wink:

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