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Post subject: Another NGD post....
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:12 pm
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Well I don't have it in my possession yet but just won an auction for a vintage white MIJ Strat supposedly from 1993. Now the guitar has a replacement small headstock mighty mite neck with a 70s style Fender logo, Carvin loaded pickguard (3 pickups and electronics), Wilkinson by Gotoh bridge and Sperzel locking tuners. It also comes with the original loaded pickguard, bridge, trem bar, screws and hardware and the MAIN reason I bought it, the original neck which is a 68 reissue large headstock 4 bolt bottom trussrod (non bullet) and stamped "ST-68" on the heel.

That means most likely this is an MIJ 68 reissue Strat and I really only needed the neck for a project and those are getting really hard to find. I am not sure what the body is made from or the routes until I get it but either way having 2 loaded pickguards, 2 necks, 2 bridges and a body I really can't lose out. I got it at the last 10 seconds of the auction for $456. In the worst case I will just keep the 68 neck and part out the rest to easily recoup what I paid...however once I get everything here and look it over I might find some use for the rest of the stuff. Or I can just restore it to original if all seems legit and get 8-900 for it and still have an extra neck, bridge, tuners and loaded pickguard.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:01 pm
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IIRC the MIJ re-issue Strats feature an ash body.

Got any pics?

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:15 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
IIRC the MIJ re-issue Strats feature an ash body.

Got any pics?

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No pics yet and you can't tell much by the ebay ad as it just looks like any other strat. However I did do some research and "knock on wood" they did make a Fender MIJ 68 "hendrix" model, only available in vintage white or sunburst. This one is vintage white. So I won't know much more until I get everything here to dissect, and will post pics.

I also found there was a 67-68 reissue MIJ made in 1993 and one I found is listed at $1700. So either this guy did not know what he had, or when I get it will find it is not a reissue but just an 93 MIJ Strat that happened to use a 68 reissue neck.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:18 pm
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Post some pics upon arrival, we'll try to noodle it out.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:26 pm
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Will do . I know between us all we will figure out exactly what it is. I did buy this kind of blind as it would have been nice to see the neck pocket stampings and pup routes, know the type of wood, and inspection of the electronics. Everything else I can see as far as the body and neck could be a 68 reissue. What I did was limit my bid to 500 as that is the most I was willing to go and regardless of what it is know what I will get is worth more then that. The neck alone could be worth over 300. If I knew for a fact it was a reissue I would have gone higher but then again so might have everyone else. There was about 35 bidders on this one.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:14 pm
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The more I research the more I find that in 93 the only MIJ strats that used that neck are the 67-68 reissues and they all ask $1700 and up. I guess if the body is legit I got a really killer deal. The only thing odd is what he "claims" is the original pickguard is loaded with gold logo vintage "noiseless" pups and pretty sure the reissue would use normal vintage style staggered pole. But luckily they still make those if I decide to restore it depending if the body is correct. I am having a feeling the body may not be correct as you would think the seller would have listed it starting at a min of $1000....but guess I will find out soon enough. I do notice however that the claimed original pickguard has the notch on top for the truss rod and has the screw holes in the correct place for a reissue (by the center pup instead of between the neck and middle pup....that is a good clue plus it looks correct age wise for a 93. I can't wait to dig into the body.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:22 pm
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ebaysux wrote:
The only thing odd is what he "claims" is the original pickguard is loaded with gold logo vintage "noiseless" pups and pretty sure the reissue would use normal vintage style staggered pole.


+1

I know of no MIJ re-issues equipped with vintage noiseless coils. Personally (and especially so if it has an ash body) I'd throw a set of Fat 50's in it and call it a day.

The 67/68 Fuji-Gen re-issue would have the post-62 style pickguard (with the relocated hole), counter-sunk screw holes throughout (including pickups and selector switch), and the notch for truss-rod access adjacent to the neck pocket.

Beware that if the pots are original that MIA or MIM knobs will generally not fit the MIJ shafts. Neither are the switch tips interchangeable. Yes......I found out the hard way.

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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:13 pm
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Thanks for the info. It seems that all the holes are countersunk but the screw heads for the pups are too large to tell from the pic if they are countersunk underneath. The screw heads do seem to be the type used if countersunk (not pan heads). The selector switch holes you can tell are indeed countersunk.

Now the claimed original pickguard does have knobs so until I look underneath it won't know it the pots or selector switch are original. I am "assuming" they are and it simply had a pup swap to the vintage noiseless at some point. I have not paid yet but am going to write and ask if he has the original pups or not. He might have got the guitar that way and has no idea that if this is indeed a legit reissue is worth a lot more then he realizes. Many times when someone says "original" it is not but just what came on the guitar when they got it. If I determine upon teardown this is a legit MIJ reissue I will certainly get the correct pups for it or at least more correct then those vintage noiseless.

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:50 pm
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Okay I was able to go to where the shipment came in tonight. Everything so far as the original parts looks totally legit. I played the guitar as is and it plays, feels and sounds totally awesome.

I am thinking this is an authentic MIJ for 93 ish either Hendrix model or 67-68 reissue. The 68 ST neck that came with it is dead on as far as aesthetics. After I played it for a few hours I did what I had to do and ripped her apart. This is what I get for the body....

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Okay not sure if the 93 MIJ "Hendrix" or "67-68" reissue is supposed to have foil in the cavity like that but I can certainly tell this is a 60's cut and as well the wire "groove" route below the bridge pup is not MIM and is more consistent with what an MIA or top notch MIJ would do for a reissue...however I can not confirm if any of this is correct for a 93 MIJ "67" "68" or "Hendrix is correct. Anyone have a clue?

Close up of the route...

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Shot of the back...

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Now here is the only thing I have suspect. The original neck is indeed stamped "ST-68" which should be correct for a Hendrix, 67-68 reissues. However the neck pocket is stamped "ST-62". Now I do not think there was much difference as far as the bodies from 62ish to 68...but do any of you know if an MIJ neck pocket should be stamped "67" or "68" for a reissue or did they just use the "62" for the Hendrix or "67/68" reissues from the early 90s?

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I can not confirm the type of wood used for the body as all I have to go on is what I can see as the raw wood in the neck pocket. It is not basswood but I can not really confirm with 100% certainty if it is ash or alder.

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:56 pm
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I'd guess that the body was originally from a '62 re-issue due to the extra pickguard hole near the high side of the middle pickup. A '67 or '68 Strat would not have that extra hole drilled, nor would the '93 Hendrix tribute. As well, I've never seen a MIJ or CIJ body shielded in such a manner from the factory.

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:03 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I'd guess that the body was originally from a '62 re-issue due to the extra pickguard hole near the high side of the middle pickup. A '67 or '68 Strat would not have that extra hole drilled, nor would the '93 Hendrix tribute. As well, I've never seen a MIJ or CIJ body shielded in such a manner from the factory.

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That extrapick guard hole was done by the guy who sold it to me. He swapped out the PG. Included in the sale was the orginal PG that has the hole in the correct spot for a 67-68 reissue.

As far as the shielding I agree but what the $@!& is it then?

I can confirm this is NOT in any way shape or form a "CIJ"...but an "MIJ".

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:18 pm
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From the "nekkid" lumber visible in the neck pocket, I'd say the body is ash. Which likely means it left Fuji-Gen as a '68 re-issue.

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:24 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
From the "nekkid" lumber visible in the neck pocket, I'd say the body is ash. Which likely means it left Fuji-Gen as a '68 re-issue.

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Thanks. That is what I am thinking. As far as the foil cavity shielding it is done so nicely that a part of me wants to believes it is factory, but I have never seen that before. And since I am restoring this I face kind of a dilemma as I know for the good of mankind I should leave the shielding, but for the good of Strat kind... I should remove it.

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:47 pm
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If noiseless pickups are to be installed, the shielding is superfluous.

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:08 am
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I doubt a 1993 MIJ 67-8 reissue used noiseless pups. But I am thinking since it came with a set and has the shielding the previous owner might of had noise issues. Maybe that is why I got such a great deal. I have to use something correct to restore it which I am pretty sure on an older MIJ reissue like that would use some kind of vintage USA reissue staggered pole pups.

What is making this resto difficult is there is virtually no info about these at all and no pics anywhere of what is correct as far as stampings and electronics. The original pup guard that has the vintage noiseless in it is using all CTS stuff.

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