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Post subject: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:32 am
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Hello, I have an American made Stratocaster from the year 2000. It's got 2 single coil pick ups, and a double coil Seymour Duncan pick up. It's also sporting a "surf green" paint job. I'm trying to figure out exactly what model it is, I've seen several like it, but not with that pick up layout. I'll include a picture below, if anyone can identify the guitar for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10387130_809044872463535_7175381530042967020_o.jpg


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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:44 am
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looks to me like an American Standard HSS Stratocaster. I can not confirm if the Duncan came with it or was added later but they are available in that configuration.

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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:59 am
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I found it, It's an American Deluxe HSS. I located it on the site below, thank you for your help.

http://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/products/fender-deluxe-hss-stratocaster-teal-green-transparent-1999


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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:14 am
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The guitar you've posted is indeed a USA Lonestar Stratocaster (aka American Standard Fat Strat Texas Special) with two Texas Special single coils in the neck & middle and a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates Plus humbucker in the bridge - mounted into an aged white pearloid pickguard. Finish is Ice Blue Metallic. Non-veneered alder body.

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The other guitar is an ash-bodied American Deluxe Strat HSS from 1999 in Transparent Teal. Has two dual coil ceramic stacks in the neck & middle and a Fender Atomic humbucker in the bridge. Other features include a 2-point bridge with a snap-in tremolo bar, an LSR roller nut and Schaller lockers. The maple neck has abalone dots matching the transparent teal finish to perfection.

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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:17 am
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Not so sure yours is a deluxe because the deluxe models I know of do not have the "contour body" decal at the top of the headstock and the one you posted in the pic has that. But another way to determine if it could be a deluxe vs. a standard is by the neck plate. If it is curved on the upper left side to match the contour there.... that comes with the deluxe. If it is a rectangle, then it is a Standard.

EDIT: or what chromeface said. I overlooked the lonestar. I should have known better since I almost bought one a few years ago.

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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:26 am
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ebaysux wrote:
Not so sure yours is a deluxe because the deluxe models I know of do not have the "contour body" decal at the top of the headstock and the one you posted in the pic has that. But another way to determine if it could be a deluxe vs. a standard is by the neck plate. If it is curved on the upper left side.... that comes with the deluxe. If it is a rectangle then it is a Standard.


The American Deluxe Strats lack the original contour decal since their inception in 1998. The vintage spaghetti logo is made from dark aluminum foil to differentiate the Deluxes from others.

Since this guitar is made in 1999 it does normally sport a rectangular 4-bolt neckplate. Fender switched to the contoured neck heel in late 2001/early 2002.


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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:47 am
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chromeface wrote:
ebaysux wrote:
Not so sure yours is a deluxe because the deluxe models I know of do not have the "contour body" decal at the top of the headstock and the one you posted in the pic has that. But another way to determine if it could be a deluxe vs. a standard is by the neck plate. If it is curved on the upper left side.... that comes with the deluxe. If it is a rectangle then it is a Standard.


The American Deluxe Strats lack the original contour decal since their inception in 1998. The vintage spaghetti logo is made from dark aluminum foil to differentiate the Deluxes from others.

Since this guitar is made in 1999 it does normally sport a rectangular 4-bolt neckplate. Fender switched to the contoured neck heel in late 2001/early 2002.


Ah good to know. I never was too into the deluxes but have noticed the Fender logo on the headstock was silver in appearance on all I have seen and the only thing on the headstock front was "Fender Stratocaster"....no "made in USA" or "Contour Body" I was not aware however that the first couple of years did not have the contoured heel.

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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:59 am
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Why not sending a PM to John C? He's one of our top experts in that domain...

It's a chance, we just expect having a reply from him soon! :)


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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:31 am
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chromeface wrote:
Why not sending a PM to John C? He's one of our top experts in that domain...

It's a chance, we just expect having a reply from him soon! :)


Thanks for the vote of confidence; I guess I'm slaking today!

You nailed it in your post - it's an "American Series Fat Strat Texas Special".

maWrkula - 2000 was a transition year for Fender - they had the "American Standard" series until the middle of the year, then in July they introduced a major update to the series and renamed them the "American Series". There were a lot of changes, in particular the American Series uses only 1 string tree (because the tuners now have staggered height shafts), the bodies had rounder contours so they restored the "Original Contour Body" decal, plus a lot of other updates/changes from the 1987-June 2000 American Standards.

From 1996 until the middle of 2000 Fender called the HSS version of the American Standard the "Lone Star Strat" because they were using Texas Special single coils and a Duncan "Pearly Gates Plus" humbucker as the pickups. When the American Series replaced the American Standards in July 2000 that model was renamed the "American Series Fat Strat Texas Special" and used the same pickups. Based on the other "cues" from your Strat you have one of the post-transition models, the American Series Fat Strat Texas Special.

The color looks like teal green metallic to me; surf green is a very light green.

Just for the record this model lasted until about August of 2003; at that point Fender changed the pickups (to Tex-Mex single coils and a Fender Diamondback humbucker) and renamed it the "American Strat HSS".


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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
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Teal Green or Ice Blue? Certainly not Surf Green.

I'll vote for Ice Blue Metallic.

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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:41 pm
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orvilleowner wrote:
Teal Green or Ice Blue? Certainly not Surf Green.

I'll vote for Ice Blue Metallic.


+1

It could also conceivably be Agave Blue but that color is generally reserved for the MIM line of Standard Strats.

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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:13 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
orvilleowner wrote:
Teal Green or Ice Blue? Certainly not Surf Green.

I'll vote for Ice Blue Metallic.


+1

It could also conceivably be Agave Blue but that color is generally reserved for the MIM line of Standard Strats.

Arjay


It's teal green - that was the only green or blue color available on these in 2000. I double-checked the available colors on the 2000 Fender website using that "wayback machine" web page, which is pretty cool:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001018093 ... ecial.html

Also to fix the name - it is just the "American Fat Strat Texas Special" per the website archive.

For those who mess around on the 2000 site there was an "American Special Series" - which is the Jimi Hendrix Voodoo Strat and the Floyd Rose Classic (in both HH and HSS); no relation to the current American Special models.


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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:11 pm
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Odd that is teal. It must be the lighting or something. I have a mid 90s USA teal P-bass and it was darker then that strat appears. It was also ugly (to me at least) so I stripped it down and refinshed it in white lacquer. It looks great with the parchment pickguard. The shade of blue that strat appears to be is nicer and I probably would have kept the bass that color. It seems more to me like some kind of metallic blue...I don't see any green in it, at least on my screen.

EDIT: Just did a quick search. That guitar is indeed a lonestar and the color is called teal green metallic. http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/for ... 1/1153084- It is definitely not the same teal that my bass was. There was a much more pronounced green and it was darker..just not a pleasing color to me.

EDIT 2: Looking closer at the one in the link I left I noticed it does not have the "contour body" on top of the headstock and appears to have the silver logo that a deluxe would (but does have "made in usa" under the fender)...hmmm....other then that both guitars seem identical. Do you think the owner changed the headstock or would one 2000 lonestar come from the factory with a different logo then another 2000 lonestar? Or is the OP's not actually a lonestar but something else where the pups, color, pickguard, bridge and everything else but the headstock logo be identical? I also notice the OP's has one string tree but the one I linked has 2.

EDIT 3: nevermind [insert facepalm here]. It seems at least in 2000 that the fat strat in HSS form at least by appearance could be had identical to the lonestar (color, pups, guard, bridge etc) but the visible difference is indeed the logo and extra string tree.

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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:33 pm
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John C wrote:
Just for the record this model lasted until about August of 2003; at that point Fender changed the pickups (to Tex-Mex single coils and a Fender Diamondback humbucker) and renamed it the "American Strat HSS".


With the introduction of the "new" American Standards in 2008 the S1 switch has been deleted and a redesigned 2-point bridge with vintage-style bent steel saddles replaced the older American Series tremolo systems.

Pickups changed from Tex-Mex to Custom Shop Fat '50s in 2012 but the DiamondBack humbucker remained unchanged to this day.


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Post subject: Re: 2000 Stratocaster US Custom Surf green.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:49 pm
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The color looks like teal green metallic to me; surf green is a very light green.

more specifically, surf green is sort of a pastel colour. which can usually be described as being "milky" like having green with a sort of soft white component.

Looking at his picture I would never have guessed teal green, but after looking a bit online you can see examples that range from pretty green to pretty blue (lighting maybe? or a huge variation from paint batch lot to batch lot?)

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