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Post subject: My maple vs rosewood video on Youtube
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:12 pm
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Hey people, just thought I'd let you know that I've posted a video comparing the sounds of two strats, but one maple neck and one rosewood neck.

I hear a difference, let everyone listen too and let me know if you have a youtube account!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWqheA-gZg

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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:50 pm
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EdMardell wrote:
Hey people, just thought I'd let you know that I've posted a video comparing the sounds of two strats, but one maple neck and one rosewood neck.

I hear a difference, let everyone listen too and let me know if you have a youtube account!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWqheA-gZg


Ed, I know you swapped out the neck on your new '08 AmStd. Are the two guitars identical except for the fingerboards? ( I can't access your site from this location.)

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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:53 pm
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zzdoc wrote:
EdMardell wrote:
Hey people, just thought I'd let you know that I've posted a video comparing the sounds of two strats, but one maple neck and one rosewood neck.

I hear a difference, let everyone listen too and let me know if you have a youtube account!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWqheA-gZg


Ed, I know you swapped out the neck on your new '08 AmStd. Are the two guitars identical except for the fingerboards? ( I can't access your site from this location.)

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Mossstlyyy. Same pups, same wirings, Same neck (different FB obviously) 2007 am std body, and a home project style bridge (one of those cheap copies)

I posted this in the fender lounge and some people have written back if you want more info!

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Hello EdMardell,

Interesting yes but inconclusive.
try different necks on same loaded body
each with new same strings.
Keeping sure same dimension of strings
to body and pickups is maintained.

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Mr Bill wrote:
Hello EdMardell,

Interesting yes but inconclusive.
try different necks on same loaded body
each with new same strings.
Keeping sure same dimension of strings
to body and pickups is maintained.

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Greetings Ed,
I would first off like to say those were some nice riffs you played in your video! However, I do agree that the results were inconclusive. Sorry to disappoint. Here are a few logic questions,
1. Are the electronics setup the same way on both Strats.
2. New strings on both Strats and same dimension
3. Different positions on the pick up selector

So far from what I heard, the maple does sound brighter :D
I would do a video response, but unfortunately my rosewood and maple neck Strats have different setups.

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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:01 pm
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EdMardell wrote:
Hey people, just thought I'd let you know that I've posted a video comparing the sounds of two strats, but one maple neck and one rosewood neck.

I hear a difference, let everyone listen too and let me know if you have a youtube account!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWqheA-gZg



Well Ed.....looks like the respondents are re-enforcing a basic principle of research. When testing one variable, all others must be held constant. It is not likely that two new American Standard guitars, following each other down the production line are exactly the same in all respects, particularly in the quest for tone. The body wood variations alone could be an issue.

Can't be faulted for your effort, however.

Nicely done.

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Hey, Ed: viewing your vids, we must now think of you as the skinny dude with no head. How modest: literally self-effacing.

At the very least, you have successfully demonstrated that your m/n Strat has a brighter tone than your r/w one.

Nice licks, by the way, and good neck pickup sounds. You’re pursuit of Jimi is evident and unimpeachable. I’m noticing some 9ths and 13ths in there: are you also listening to Matt Schofield?


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Ceri wrote:
Hey, Ed: viewing your vids, we must now think of you as the skinny dude with no head. How modest: literally self-effacing.

At the very least, you have successfully demonstrated that your m/n Strat has a brighter tone than your r/w one.

Nice licks, by the way, and good neck pickup sounds. You’re pursuit of Jimi is evident and unimpeachable. I’m noticing some 9ths and 13ths in there: are you also listening to Matt Schofield?



Remember the thread, not so long ago, when we literally beat the fretboard type issue to a frazzle, along with the rest the tone wood issues, and we got all of this materials science yadayada to boot?!?!?!?

Ceri...I really didn't look closely for that one, but I hope he was using the bridge pickup on both guitars. If not, he'll have to do it again.

....and yes to the observation that it may be advisable to unplug from the amp rather than from the guitar. I've heard so, and do so, but as for the reason, I'd need further information.

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Remember the thread, not so long ago, when we literally beat the fretboard type issue to a frazzle, along with the rest the tone wood issues, and we got all of this materials science yadayada to boot?!?!?!?

Ceri...I really didn't look closely for that one, but I hope he was using the bridge pickup on both guitars. If not, he'll have to do it again.

....and yes to the observation that it may be advisable to unplug from the amp rather than from the guitar. I've heard so, and do so, but as for the reason, I'd need further information.

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Hi there, Doc:

Yet to beat the subject to an even more frazzled degree... I take everything you said earlier about making the experiment scientific (you'd know, after all). And someone on the other thread about Ed's clip was saying that even different necks could be a misleading variable, so really you'd need to switch out the fingerboards on a single guitar-and-neck. And once the glue had dried, make sure the room was at the same temperature and humidity. And, and...

On the other hand, most of us have the subjective sensation that maple fingerboards sound a little brighter than the warmer rosewood. After we've played umpteen guitars, sometimes in a shop several of the same model with only the fingerboard different... Well, after long enough the sheer cumulative experiential evidence turns into scientific data, of a sort. On average, one could say, maple and rosewood sound a little different.

BUT. I would next contend that the difference is miniature, much less than the effect of switching between pickups, for instance. And in any real-life situation, utterly meaningless, to all but the player.

An analogy. I once visited the Plymouth Gin factory (pursuing one of my other interests). At a certain point of the tour they gave us tiny glasses of Plymouth, Gordon’s and Bombay Sapphire gin to taste. And, bless me, side by side, we really could distinguish a difference.

Now take me into a bar and order me a gin and tonic, ice and a slice. There is not the slightest chance that I will correctly identify for you the maker of that gin, 'less I peek.

Conclusion. If you like the shape of the Plymouth Gin bottle (I do), buy that one. And if (like me), you think maple looks nice and classic, go for that, because no-one out there will know the difference with their ears...

My two dollars and two cents' worth.

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Post subject: Re: My maple vs rosewood video on Youtube
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:53 am
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EdMardell wrote:
Hey people, just thought I'd let you know that I've posted a video comparing the sounds of two strats, but one maple neck and one rosewood neck.

I hear a difference, let everyone listen too and let me know if you have a youtube account!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWqheA-gZg

ed, first great playing man. the maple i like
better it a little bighter than the rosewood and
it also depends on what p/u your using in the guitars
are they the same? all my strats are maple necks
i woulnt have it any other way.


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What you've done here, Ceri is eloquently articulated what has been for years described as an empirically based conclusion. It works because it is observed to. These days, empirically based clinical practice is giving way to what is known as evidence based practice supported by random clinical trials.

Of course, the topic at hand, maple vs. rosewood, is hardly required to stand such a rigorous test.

What's music to the ear will suffice.

Doc :wink:


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zzdoc wrote:
What you've done here, Ceri is eloquently articulated what has been for years described as an empirically based conclusion. It works because it is observed to. These days, empirically based clinical practice is giving way to what is known as evidence based practice supported by random clinical trials.

Of course, the topic at hand, maple vs. rosewood, is hardly required to stand such a rigorous test.

What's music to the ear will suffice.

Doc :wink:


:wink: Well, I'm hardly in a position to debate experimental technique with you, Doc. But to make another analogy, if I saw a dead animal beside a rank looking well there might be any number of conclusions to draw and I'd be wrong to presume that the latter killed the former ($@! hoc ergo propter hoc, to adapt Descartes' well worn discussion). But if I saw dozens of dead animals beside that well, day after day, it might be reasonable to presume that there was some kind of connection, and at least investigate further.

The sheer weight of numbers would be highly suggestive, if yet not demonstrably conclusive.

Whilst I've never swapped fingerboards out on a guitar and subjected the instrument to callibrated analysis, I've played plenty of 'em, and I tend to sense that maple is different from rosewood, however much that difference is then lost beneath the tonal colorations of pickups, amplifiers, effects units and so forth.

For that matter, I firmly believe a humbucker equiped Les Paul sounds different than a Stratocaster, and I've never checked that out under laboratory conditions, either.

Which is all as nothing against my ultimate point, which is: play me (and most of us) some famous guitar solos and I quite likely can't tell you whether that was a Fender or a Gibson, let alone the timber of a quarter inch of fingerboard. We all know the notorious examples...

All the best to you. My bedtime - ta-ta! :)

PS I don't believe it: Fender have sensored my Latin, back there, the little dears! $@! (above) is the letter c, followed by u, and then m: Latin for "with". I feel so well protected...


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Reiteratus profundus magnificus.

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zzdoc wrote:
Reiteratus profundus magnificus.

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Doc you are the man 8)

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zzdoc wrote:
Reiteratus profundus magnificus.

Doc :P


Doc you are the man 8)



Ceri bemoans his Latin. Rightly so. Ye gods!! Just think of the proper Latin for academic degrees earned 'with honors', 'with high honors' and 'with highest honors.' One could have a veritable censor's field day with those. :shock:

Ceri....word of advice.....illegitimus noncarborundum!!
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