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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 6:39 pm
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I like the color and look, especially the neck! But both Pine and Redwood are VERY soft woods, not sure how they are going to hold up to heavy vibrato use :?: But it ought to "Relic" up just nice.


Leo used pine on some of his first Telecasters -- properly kiln-dried, I think it'll be alright. Redwood's properties are similar to pine; it too may work for a guitar body.

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 8:18 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
I like the color and look, especially the neck! But both Pine and Redwood are VERY soft woods, not sure how they are going to hold up to heavy vibrato use :?:

Yeah, eastern pine is the softest pine wood there is, and redwood is even a bit softer.
Both are softer than even linden (basswood), the garbage wood of guitar production.

In addition to the vibrato screws on the Strat, I'd be concerned about the strap buttons too on all three models, unless Fender has used bigger screws, or reinforced the screw holes.


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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 8:32 pm
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Ceri wrote:
... I regard the channel-binding thing as utterly cosmetic and of no player importance whatsoever. It addresses a problem that doesn't exist. It is frivolous.

And I think it's beautiful, and a uniquely Fender development! Not so long ago it would have been so hard to achieve with consistent factory production as to be effectively impossible: now with modern CNC methodology it's easy.

I love it, and I'm itching to talk myself into buying a guitar with that style of neck!

Roger that loud and clear, Ceri! I agree with you that it is a very cool new feature. I'd be really curious to play one. Maybe we will be seeing them in the future on other models??

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 11:50 pm
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Channel binding and refretting, any thoughts..?

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Beware that pine and redwood aren't generally known as good tonewoods unless really thin.
I'm also a bit skeptical to the price. Is having a knothole enough to justify almost twice the price?

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I've worked with wood that's some 60-100 years old, and there definitely is a special mojo in it (read: the physical characters of wood are different compared to new wood - an old pine plank sounds like a Stradivari when you knock on it :wink: ). Some of the price, of course, is normal business pricing- profit margins are bigger in special products.


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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 2:35 am
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Channel binding and refretting, any thoughts..?


Hi jmattis: no problem. Just the same as refretting any other neck with edge binding. The luthier has to snip or file the tang off the bottom of the fret where it passes over the binding, and then hammer it into the slot as usual. Stew-Mac sell a fret tang nipper especially for this task.

A picture is worth more than words. To shamelessly use a neck of my own making (because it fits this thread so well), here is one with wood binding which looks just like Fender's channel-binding but is in fact created in a completely different way - I don't have a CNC machine. You can see how I've shaped the frets to fit the geometry of the situation:

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The only thing you have to be careful of with having bound necks refretted is that there are still one or two guitar techs out there who are too lazy or plain ignorant to do the fret tang nipping and instead saw into the binding to extend the slot right to the edge. That is a crime against luthiery, as well as against the guitar's owner. Thankfully, you don't see it much anymore, but if using a tech you don't know it's always worth checking he's not one of the wicked few, before letting him near you instrument.

Cheers - C

EDIT. PS, to 01GT eibach, you'll notice that when I make a wood-bound neck it does have a 22nd fret overhang... :)

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 2:42 am
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Ceri wrote:
I regard the channel-binding thing as utterly cosmetic and of no player importance whatsoever. It addresses a problem that doesn't exist. It is frivolous.

Perhaps.

But oh-so-pretty......like a conventionally-bound fretboard on a Strat, Jaguar, or Jazz Bass.

Pure craftsmanship.

On the one hand, I love the workmanlike simplicity of Fender's unbound necks. It's one of the many, many things that distinguishes a Fender from the majority of other brands - not better or worse, but different.

On the other hand, on the comparatively rare occasions Fender have done bound necks I think it looks gorgeous! :)

Arjay, I seem to recall you built a very beautiful Strat with a bound neck. If you cared to post a photo of it, so's folks can grin with pleasure...?

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 6:23 am
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Ceri wrote:
jmattis wrote:
Channel binding and refretting, any thoughts..?

Hi jmattis: no problem.

Yea, that's what I thought:
A noble P.I.t.A. if you DIY, double price tag if you use a luthier (or lucifer, as someone said).

Looks nice, but is totally useless...
To quote a wise man:
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(channel binding) addresses a problem that doesn't exist

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:02 pm
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The channel binding is so cool.

arth1 wrote:
Beware that pine and redwood aren't generally known as good tonewoods unless really thin.


It would be a good idea to try one before buying. The tone could be a deal breaker.

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:22 pm
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These are very cool. Pricey... but... they have Mojo Factor :)
Feel they want too much. If they were in the $1300-ish range... I'd be seriously considering going for one.

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:19 am
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I contacted Fender about the reclaimed redwood strat. They made 300 of them according to their reply. Going to pick up mine today.... :D :D :D


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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:48 am
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I'm betting not too many.
If you want one, you better jump on it.


+1

The supply of reclaimed lumber is finite. And the better-looking pieces will be the first to become guitar bodies.

Arjay

Love that reclaimed wood! We had a Chippendale style tilt top table made by a cabinetmaker in Pa and he used wood from a sunken log that was American Chestnut. We still have several rough cut planks of it in inlaws wood shed.

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:13 pm
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Very cool guitars. The Redwood reminds me of the guitars that Lynn Ellsworth, former owner of Boogie Bodies (he was partners with Warmoth years ago), has been making. He picked up some old thick cedar planks from some old docks on a lake up here in North Idaho. The dock were made in the 1930s. He told me he was cutting this stuff up for firewood, when he chucked a piece and it made a loud acoustical sound when it hit the pavement. He thought, ummmm. He took some one piece chunks and made Strat bodies. I liked the idea of one piece bodies. Anyhow he left the wood unfinished and just sanded the wood smooth. He says the guitars are sonic and has sold a number of them.

I love the bound necks on these. And the looks of redwood is killer!

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:21 pm
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I contacted Fender about the reclaimed redwood strat. They made 300 of them according to their reply. Going to pick up mine today.... :D :D :D

Please report back...I am very curious and just might buy one....

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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:12 pm
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Xhefri wrote:
Very cool guitars. The Redwood reminds me of the guitars that Lynn Ellsworth, former owner of Boogie Bodies (he was partners with Warmoth years ago), has been making. He picked up some old thick cedar planks from some old docks on a lake up here in North Idaho. The dock were made in the 1930s. He told me he was cutting this stuff up for firewood, when he chucked a piece and it made a loud acoustical sound when it hit the pavement. He thought, ummmm. He took some one piece chunks and made Strat bodies. I liked the idea of one piece bodies. Anyhow he left the wood unfinished and just sanded the wood smooth. He says the guitars are sonic and has sold a number of them.

I love the bound necks on these. And the looks of redwood is killer!


I have a Tele and a matching Tele-Bass he made out of that wood. Was a redwood dock though. Mine aren't sanded smooth either - thought sure I would pick up a splinter the first time I played it but haven't yet! Love them both although the bass is a little bright. The Tele has awesome tone but maybe redwood isn't quite a good match for bass. Haven't given up on it yet though. Thinking maybe a different tone cap or swapping out the Fender N3's for something warmer.

The Tele went back to Lynn to add some piezo pickups - should be done later this week. Can't wait to swing by and see the new shop.


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Post subject: Re: Reclaimed pine and redwood guitars
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:40 pm
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Ceri wrote:
when I make a wood-bound neck it does have a 22nd fret overhang...


How you did this? Channel binding is virtually impossible on a 22-fret neck.

8) job mate, congrats! :D


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