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Post subject: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:21 pm
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Are these more cream colored, yellowish or just off-white? Hard to tell from images, they all look different, depending on lighting and resolution. Want to install some on either a parchment or mint guard on a Strat with a rosewood neck and sunburst finish. Opinions wanted.

ref# Fender 099-1368-000 Aged White Stratocaster Accessory Kit

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:44 pm
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I would say that they are more cream-colored with a very light brownish tint. They look great on a parchment PG.

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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:54 pm
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I don't think they look aged White, more Cream if anything.

IMHO, Fender is using waay too much of them.

Besides, nobody knows what Aged White parts will look like with age... what color are they going to turn ?

Interestingly, on my FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, the Pickguard, knobs and Whammy Bar Tip pieces are Aged White, but the Bridge Spring Cover on the back is just White.

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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:03 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
I don't think they look aged White, more Cream if anything.

IMHO, Fender is using waay too much of them.

Besides, nobody knows what Aged White parts will look like with age... what color are they going to turn ?

Interestingly, on my FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, the Pickguard, knobs and Whammy Bar Tip pieces are Aged White, but the Bridge Spring Cover on the back is just White.

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Thanks. I had the knobs some time ago, they seemed off-white and didn't look right with parchment covers at the time, so sold them. But the aged white covers really look darker to me, like you said more cream colored. Perhaps since there is more surface area, the covers look darker than the knobs? Not sure it's been awhile since I owned the knobs.


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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:47 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
I don't think they look aged White, more Cream if anything.

IMHO, Fender is using waay too much of them.

Besides, nobody knows what Aged White parts will look like with age... what color are they going to turn ?

Interestingly, on my FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, the Pickguard, knobs and Whammy Bar Tip pieces are Aged White, but the Bridge Spring Cover on the back is just White.


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Here's a '54 or '55 Strat with it's original "aged" parts......

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The bone-white plastic is noteworthy as lacking any "cream" pigment or apparent yellowing.

The available aged-white accessory kits are way too overdone IMO. For a hint of "mojo", the parchment parts are significantly more realistic.

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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:13 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
I don't think they look aged White, more Cream if anything.

IMHO, Fender is using waay too much of them.

Besides, nobody knows what Aged White parts will look like with age... what color are they going to turn ?

Interestingly, on my FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, the Pickguard, knobs and Whammy Bar Tip pieces are Aged White, but the Bridge Spring Cover on the back is just White.


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Here's a '54 or '55 Strat with it's original "aged" parts......

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The bone-white plastic is noteworthy as lacking any "cream" pigment or apparent yellowing.

The available aged-white accessory kits are way too overdone IMO. For a hint of "mojo", the parchment parts are significantly more realistic.

Arjay


Those are early polystyrene parts. They don't discolor at all unless dirt/grime gets imbedded in them. They're prone to cracking, and because they're a hard plastic the sharp edges round off with wear, but they stay pure white.

A year or so after that they started using vinyl for the knobs, switchtips, and pickup covers. Those don't crack and they don't round off as much, but they do discolor. How much the color changes depend on the vinyl batch and the type and amount of light they're exposed to -- some get very yellow/brown.

Single-ply pickguards were also polystyrene, then they went to 3-ply celluloid nitrate guards (some say those started off with the greenish tinge, others say that's from pigments in the black layer bleeding into the top white layer), then they went to 3-ply vinyl guards. The vinyl guards discolor but tend to not discolor as much as molded parts.


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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:47 pm
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Bakelite, polystyrene, or vinyl -- none of them yellow to the extant of those monstrosities seen today on contemporary guitars.

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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:13 pm
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supposedly a '57:

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from this retailer's site:

http://www.vintageguitarz.com/2012_12_01_archive.html

In the other pic of this guitar the covers and knobs don't look quite as dark, but they are fairly dark.

Of course there's no guarantee they're original parts -- they could be modern "aged white" pieces. But I've seen lots of old vinyl covers and knobs that have darkened significantly.

But I don't really disagree with you -- the "aged white" pieces aren't authentic looking (neither are most new mint green guards -- way overdone).

I'm just saying that only pure white pieces are old polystyrene, new-ish vinyl, or old vinyl that's spent most of its life in the dark. Most '50s, '60s, and '70s vinyl has yellowed a bit.

(Don't get me started on Bakelite -- old Teles had Bakelite black pickguards, but no Strat has ever had Bakelite parts. Bakelite is based on a dark brown phenolic resin and can only be made in darkish colors so there's no such thing as white Bakelite. Catalin is a different phenolic plastic that's available in white, but Fender never used that and it yellows faster and more dramatically than vinyl.)


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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:53 pm
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Catalin is a much more brittle material as well. I doubt that a Strat knob made of such a composite would even survive being press-fitted onto a pot's shaft without fracturing and flaking away. My Dad had a few Catalin radios from the late '30s -- pretty, but the cases were very delicate to the touch. Possible they were less so when they were new.

I agree about contemporary mint pickguards -- they're also way overdone IMO. The more authentic ones are less green and have a tinge of gray to them. Chandler used to offer some nice ones (they also had the best looking tortoise-shell). A pity that they're gone now......

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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:13 am
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Aged white ; put white parts in a tea solution .

I have a Stratocaster American Deluxe with original aged parts . After few years all those parts came.....white ! No more aged :lol:


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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:52 am
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I really REALLY hate the aged look. And Fender puts these things on everything now so if you don't like them, you gotta change them. The fender Selects used to be the one model left that didn't have aged parts, but now even they have them. I think it looks horrible to have a white PG, then yellow'ish pups/knobs. Keep that stuff on the relic nonsense and keep the clean new looking white ones on the "NEW" guitars please Fender.


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Post subject: Re: aged white parts for Strat
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:22 pm
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Parchment is different from "aged white"


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