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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:31 am
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Interesting to see that for all the myriad of pickup selection settings, simpler seems to be the majority.
I have SCN's on my mim strat. Also the 5 way but I wouldn't revert back to a 3 way.
Although I'm curious as to 3 versus 5 there is a noticeable difference in sound.. ?

Hey Mag, Do you notice much difference on your Strat? I always find 5 fatter and fuller sounding opposed to the thinner tone of #3. I just rarely use the middle pickup except to mix with the neck or bridge for those iconic Strat tones. I guess that is why I like the Ultra switching so much because switch position #3 is the Neck + Bridge rather than just the middle pickup. More like a Tele in that regard.

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:42 am
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Ceri wrote:
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Although I'm curious as to 3 versus 5 there is a noticeable difference in sound.. ?

Ah! Now that's an interesting point.

There was a thread on this Forum a few years ago where people discussed whether the three-way switch had an audibly different tone to a five-way one (omitting 2 and 4, obviously). I remember it got very angry - and like most of those kinds of discussion arrived at no useful conclusion.

Bill's ears are amongst those I'd put faith in. Do you hear any difference in sound between the switches, Bill?

Cheers - C

LOL, I thought he was talking about positions on the switch verses the switches themselves! :? Serious, people started arguing about tone difference with the switches? You have to be joking? I wire a lot of guitars, as you know Mr C. A switch is simply that. The signal goes from point A to point B. The switch simply directs the path. It is a question akin to, do you notice the light bulb in your house shines different when you have it on a circuit with a on/off switch verses a 3-way switch to turn the light on or off at either end of your hallway? :lol: :shock:

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:47 am
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I do notice a difference when switching between the SCN Strat, the 98 Mim and the stratopartster I. They are all very different at the 2 & 4 position. I also don't use pedals just straight thru into a Champ 600 or the Classic Magnatone.
But at the moment the Mag is going in for repairs.
I've been using a G-Deck Junior.. Meh...
It reminded me as to why I gave up on solid state amps long ago.
It does have some usable feature, but to my ears the G-deck to the real amps it mimics doesn't compare. Most noticeable it is just not sensitive to attack.

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:53 am
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I am tempted to consider building the next strat as a vintage 50's.
3 way switch, 50's pups etc ... All in a Mary Kaye strat style.
Hmmmm...

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:59 am
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53magnatone wrote:
I am tempted to consider building the next strat as a vintage 50's.
3 way switch, 50's pups etc ... All in a Mary Kaye strat style.
Hmmmm...

If you do, post the build on the Forum! Sounds cool and a good build would do this place well!

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:00 am
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Serious, people started arguing about tone difference with the switches? You have to be joking? I wire a lot of guitars, as you know Mr C. A switch is simply that.

Hee-hee - what you say is completely logical. But then we all know logic sometime has little to do with these sorts of discussion. :lol:

Done a quick search and can't locate that old thread. But I think what made it stick in my memory is that one or two sensible and respectworthy people were amongst those claiming the three- and five-way switches have tonal differences. Which was surprising and gave pause for thought.

I've certainly never tested it myself, so I have no view.

...But yours are some more ears I'd put a lot of trust in, Jeff, and you've done a heck of a lot more guitar wiring than me. So I pay good attention to what you, and I think everyone on this particular thread, has to say on these subjects.

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:25 am
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Ceri wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
Serious, people started arguing about tone difference with the switches? You have to be joking? I wire a lot of guitars, as you know Mr C. A switch is simply that.

Hee-hee - what you say is completely logical. But then we all know logic sometime has little to do with these sorts of discussion. :lol:

Done a quick search and can't locate that old thread. But I think what made it stick in my memory is that one or two sensible and respectworthy people were amongst those claiming the three- and five-way switches have tonal differences. Which was surprising and gave pause for thought.

I've certainly never tested it myself, so I have no view.

...But yours are some more ears I'd put a lot of trust in, Jeff, and you've done a heck of a lot more guitar wiring than me. So I pay good attention to what you, and I think everyone on this particular thread, has to say on these subjects.

Cheers - C

Sorry, what did you say? Speak up man! :lol: (hearing damage from amp set on 10!) I know when it comes to guitars there is a lot of lore and mysticism, and that can't be argued with! Like does changing tuners or does playing with the back trem cover off change the tone of the guitar??? :? Like you I have seen endless thread debates over some of these things. Frankly, I would rather sit in my guitar room and just play my guitar. :D

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:03 am
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My 62 AVRI came with 5 way, I put it back 3 way as it should be, I can clearly imagine the tone difference in my head.


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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:44 pm
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Xhefri wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
I am tempted to consider building the next strat as a vintage 50's.
3 way switch, 50's pups etc ... All in a Mary Kaye strat style.
Hmmmm...

If you do, post the build on the Forum! Sounds cool and a good build would do this place well!


Yes .... I do agree it is time to return to the build thread's input....
I will play with what I have over the weekend... That is start the new thread... I do have 2 ash bodies ( 1 piece bodies which I'll post ) may very well ask for suggestions....

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:59 pm
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Ceri wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
Although I'm curious as to 3 versus 5 there is a noticeable difference in sound.. ?

Ah! Now that's an interesting point.

There was a thread on this Forum a few years ago where people discussed whether the three-way switch had an audibly different tone to a five-way one (omitting 2 and 4, obviously). I remember it got very angry - and like most of those kinds of discussion arrived at no useful conclusion.

Bill's ears are amongst those I'd put faith in. Do you hear any difference in sound between the switches, Bill?

Cheers - C


I haven't actually swapped switches yet. I find it ridiculous that there would be an audible difference between 1/3/5 on a 5-way switch and 1/2/3 on a 3-way switch. Seems to me that the physical connections in those positions are identical and 2/4 are achieved through a difference in the sliding part of the switch (not sure of the technical name :lol: ).

I was interested if others had similar experiences to me with the 2/4 positions and not liking what they hear.

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:01 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
I am tempted to consider building the next strat as a vintage 50's.
3 way switch, 50's pups etc ... All in a Mary Kaye strat style.
Hmmmm...

If you do, post the build on the Forum! Sounds cool and a good build would do this place well!


Yes .... I do agree it is time to return to the build thread's input....
I will play with what I have over the weekend... That is start the new thread... I do have 2 ash bodies ( 1 piece bodies which I'll post ) may very well ask for suggestions....


That would be much preferable to yet another "Is my (insert name here) a fake" thread or "What are the setting to make my Mustang I amp sound like (pick a guitarist)". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:03 pm
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The reason I asked was that since it is an electric signal going thru the switches and the build of those switches being slightly different, would that have an effect ??

Probably a question for Martian or Andy Big Hair Yes ... :?:

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:12 pm
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Thread is up and......... " It's Alive.. " Well not quite yet but electricity will play an eventual role
It's reminding me of a song by Black Oak Arkansas .. " When Electricity Came To Arkansas "
( I've been in class for the last couple of hours... hence my brain is wacky ) :lol: :lol:

Here's the link to the new thread .... Yaai... :!:
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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:30 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
The reason I asked was that since it is an electric signal going thru the switches and the build of those switches being slightly different, would that have an effect ??

Probably a question for Martian or Andy Big Hair Yes ... :?:


I have physically compared the two switches. There is no difference in how the three primary positions are connected. 2/4 are achieved through a slightly different contact patch on the rotating part of the switch.

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Post subject: Re: 5-way to 3-way Switch Change
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:19 pm
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I have never really liked the 2 and 4 position in a 5-way switch. It just doesn't do it for me.



I'm with you on this.. :mrgreen:


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