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Post subject: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:57 pm
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I didn't take a photo nor did I buy it but I came across a 1982 57 Reissue Strat today at an estate sale in Memphis. It was 2 tone sunburst with the original tweed case and had all the case candy/tags and paperwork from when purchased. One tag said "Fender Electric Instruments Corp. And had CBS written under it. I would say the condition was ok but definitely not "mint". Are these guitars desired by collectors? They were asking $1,995.00 which I thought for the condition was quite a bit too much. I would guess it might be worth around $850.00 or so. Am I wrong? Can someone tell me what it's worth? I liked the guitar but I don't want to pay a lot more than it's worth. The guitar is without a doubt a "real" 57 reissue from 1982. What's it worth?

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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:15 pm
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$850 is prolly a bit too low but $1995 is way too optimistic. I'm thinking someplace between $1100 and $1350, contingent upon the condition, the finish color, and if the original case with all the candy comes along for the ride.

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Post subject: Re: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:22 pm
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Great thanks Arjay. It had a good bit of buckle rash on the back. It wasn't through the finish but fairly deep into the finish. Also the pickgaurd was buckled right in the middle in front of the bridge as if it had been stored in a high temperature or something. I suppose a new pickgaurd would solve that though. Thanks again. Your input is always appreciated.

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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:27 pm
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Without pics it is hard to really put a price on a guitar or tell you if it is a good asking price.

Having said that...The price for the 1982 '57 Vintage Reissues has been going up and dead mint ones are selling for $2K, especially with the original case and all the goodies. So that price might be a bit high depending on condition.

I have one of those '82 Vintage Reissues and while it's not dead mint, it is Very Good condition (no buckle rash, still as shiny as new body finish, and only one very small ding) and I wouldn't let it go for anything less than $2200 (I bought it new, so I have everything that came with it case and goodie wise)...but I might be a bit biased! :lol:

When these guitars were being built the Vintage Reissues were the only guitars being made by Fender at the time...at a hellacious clip of five guitars or so a day. Pretty much hand made!

Here is mine for a comparison condition wise.
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Post subject: Re: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:41 pm
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According to my 2014 Vintage Guitar price guide, this guitar is worth anywhere from $2,400 - $3,000.


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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:50 pm
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Few (if any) sellers are getting anywhere near what the Vintage Guitar Price Guide shows.

For a more realistic look at prices paid, Ebay's "completed listings" pages are a much more reliable yardstick for contemporary values.

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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:32 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Few (if any) sellers are getting anywhere near what the Vintage Guitar Price Guide shows.

For a more realistic look at prices paid, Ebay's "completed listings" pages are a much more reliable yardstick for contemporary values.

Arjay

I agree with you, but I suspect that where as in the past, dealers could demand the price guilde value, people are now able to see what people are willing to actually pay. The common man has spoken!


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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:37 pm
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The common man has spoken!


Indeed!

And to the betterment of all guitarists who appreciate such rare instruments. Many remain stratospherically priced but real-world values do provide a glimmer of hope for those who might be willing to stretch the budget to buy one.

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Post subject: Re: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:30 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
When these guitars were being built the Vintage Reissues were the only guitars being made by Fender at the time...at a hellacious clip of five guitars or so a day. Pretty much hand made!

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Hi T2, Sorry to contradict, but 1982 is actually when the CBS Fender Vintage Reissues were first introduced. They were part of regular production and so yes, the numbers were higher. Nonetheless, and still today there is quite a bit of hand work that still goes into them.
1986 marks the first "new" Fender (FMIC) Vintage Reissues built in a small business park in Corona Ca. First numbers WERE pretty low...not that low but pretty low.....
Anyway....just wanted to mention the timeline to keep it straight. Cheers, and all the best,
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Post subject: Re: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:49 pm
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Rob Schwarz-Fender wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
When these guitars were being built the Vintage Reissues were the only guitars being made by Fender at the time...at a hellacious clip of five guitars or so a day. Pretty much hand made!

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Hi T2, Sorry to contradict, but 1982 is actually when the CBS Fender Vintage Reissues were first introduced. They were part of regular production and so yes, the numbers were higher. Nonetheless, and still today there is quite a bit of hand work that still goes into them.
1986 marks the first "new" Fender (FMIC) Vintage Reissues built in a small business park in Corona Ca. First numbers WERE pretty low...not that low but pretty low.....
Anyway....just wanted to mention the timeline to keep it straight. Cheers, and all the best,
rob


Rob...I thought when they first went into production (1982) there was some difficulty with Fender getting them the way they wanted them hence the lower production? But I went back and reread my Stratocaster reference book and I guess I just can't argue since both of you are right! Whatever you do don't get old because the memory goes right after the knees...and those are both shot too!
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Post subject: Re: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:16 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Rob Schwarz-Fender wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
When these guitars were being built the Vintage Reissues were the only guitars being made by Fender at the time...at a hellacious clip of five guitars or so a day. Pretty much hand made!

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Hi T2, Sorry to contradict, but 1982 is actually when the CBS Fender Vintage Reissues were first introduced. They were part of regular production and so yes, the numbers were higher. Nonetheless, and still today there is quite a bit of hand work that still goes into them.
1986 marks the first "new" Fender (FMIC) Vintage Reissues built in a small business park in Corona Ca. First numbers WERE pretty low...not that low but pretty low.....
Anyway....just wanted to mention the timeline to keep it straight. Cheers, and all the best,
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Rob...I thought when they first went into production (1982) there was some difficulty with Fender getting them the way they wanted them hence the lower production? But I went back and reread my Stratocaster reference book and I guess I just can't argue since both of you are right! Whatever you do don't get old because the memory goes right after the knees...and those are both shot too!
:oops: :oops:

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;O) well I think I'm already getting to the being old part..the signature badge below is (a replacement for the original 80 badge) circa 1982. But...it does help the memory a lot having been there and having been involved (on the Final guitar line). I can't tell you the actual beginnings, proto's etc... I'm also lucky and honored to have been involved with the 86 versions after about the first 100 or 200, in an inspection capacity.
So , in this case.....I'm glad the book is right cause otherwise I'd have to disagree with it too lol.
My own opinion is that the 82's were the direct result and beginning of Bill Schultz's and Dan Smith's(and some others) absolute commitment to bringing quality back to go with the name. That's a good time for Fender as far as I'm concerned.
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Post subject: Re: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:08 pm
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This site has most of the info you are looking for: http://www.fenderreissue.com/

You got a great guitar for a very reasonable price. Average price is 2.500$ to 3.000 depending on overall conditions.
If I got the story right between 82 and 84 Fullerton production of AVRI models were overall about 16.000 pieces.
This includes all produced models: 62 precision and jazz basses, telecaster 52 and the two models of the Strat - 57 and 62 ( Strat production ratio were in favour of 57 vs 62 and mainly in two and three tones sunbursts - about 5% of them were custom colors: black, fiesta red, candy apple red, lake placid blue, vintage white).
This gives you a very special guitar that for me sound even better than many new custom shop.
No CNC machines, but only original sixties tools to produce them but with an extreme care for the final result.
Check the back of your guitar and you'll feel how smooth is the contour compared with a Corona one (btw I have 57 produced in 95 and a 62 produced in 84).
Check the pick-ups. If you got red or grey bottoms they worth even more. You need to remove the pickguard to check them out. The three original pick-ups in red or grey go usually on sale for 1.000$ on ebay.
Fullerton Strats just sound great, and this exactly what Dan Smith objective was: quality to regain market share and bring Fender back to where it was before CBS.
I would be very plaesed if Rob would confirm what i understood reading a bit on these special guitars.
There is also a great video on Fullerton factory in 1959 on youtube to see the kind of tools that were used at that time.
Have fun and play loud
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Post subject: Re: 1982 57 Reissue Help Please
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:46 pm
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mpolica wrote:
This site has most of the info you are looking for: http://www.fenderreissue.com/

You got a great guitar for a very reasonable price.
If I got the story right between 82 and 84 Fullerton production of AVRI models were overall about 16.000 pieces.
This includes all produced models: precision and jazz basses, telecaster 52 and the two models of the Strat - 57 and 62 (production ratio were in favour of 57 for Strat).
This gives you a very special guitar that for me sound even better than many new custom shop.
No CNC machines, but only original sixties tools to produce them.
Check the back of your guitar and you'll feel how smooth is the contour compared with a Corona one (btw I have 57 produced in 95 and a 62 produced in 84).
Check the pick up. If you got reds or greys under the white covers it worths even more. You need to remove the pickguard to check them out. The three original pick-ups only go on sale for 1.000$ on ebay.
Fullerton Strats just sound great, and this exactly what Dan Smith objective was: quality after CBS.
I would be very plaesed if Rob would confirm it.
There is also a great video on Fullerton factory in 1959 on youtube to see the kind of tools that were used at that time.
Have fun and play loud
Marco

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Hi mpolica,
Not sure what you'd like me to confirm....so I'll fake it.....I already mentioned Dan Smith's objective (along with Bill Schultz, others......and with their support, folks like me)...........I can't confirm or deny manufactured quantities, not only as a general policy, but I honestly don't know.
Although again, much was done and still is done by hand, we did have a body NC Router ....i recall 3 bodies at a time...that would cut the basic shapes (shaped like you would now see on an aerodyne-less paint of course) where we would then rout the edges on a table router. I only spent a year in the woodshop-body line, but i do remember getting a neck router (Shoda, I believe) that cut out 6 necks at a time.

Although more work is currently done by cnc's then in 82 ( holes drilled for instance---and contours pre-cut as another example), we definately had machines. I've gone on in this forum and others about the contours so i won't go into that ....but regardless of the cnc's, there is still a good amount of hand sanding done. Personally, I'm happy about the consistent contours now, whereas earlier models were dependent upon who was working the band saw and the who was working the belt sander.

So yes, i'm proud of our work in the 80's, and I feel the same about today's production. you need only take a tour of Corona (online or in person) and see for yourself.
hope ya have a good weekend!
PS yeh i really like that reissue site. good stuff.
cheers,
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:07 pm
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Thanks for the info.
I appreciate a lot what you shared with us of your past experiences.
I understood wrongly that no CNC were available at that time.
So thanks for clearing this out.
I also got a Tele Custom Shop closet classic that sound great.
I believe that i just like personally the sound of the 82 AVRI over the many custom shop i tried. But this is purely personal taste. No intention to blame anyone.
Have a nice WE.
Marco

PS already took the virtual Corona tour. I will gladly take the tour in person but this means a 9.000 miles trip to CA.


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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:22 pm
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mpolica wrote:
Thanks for the info.
I appreciate a lot what you shared with us of your past experiences.
I understood wrongly that no CNC were available at that time.
So thanks for clearing this out.
I also got a Tele Custom Shop closet classic that sound great.
I believe that i just like personally the sound of the 82 AVRI over the many custom shop i tried. But this is purely personal taste. No intention to blame anyone.
Have a nice WE.
Marco

PS already took the virtual Corona tour. I will gladly take the tour in person but this means a 9.000 miles trip to CA.


mpolica,
I've played thousands of guitars....but each one still feels just a bit different than any other to me. Always a nice thing when you get one that speaks to you. That's a good thing ;O)
cheers,
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