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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:36 am
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hi ,

just to explain . i did buy this MIM just to build a EMG DG-20 pickups on , i have already 3 other Americain Stratocasters . :wink:

Yeah we kinda lost sight of you Tommy, Drubbing got his feelings hurt and we have been in counseling sessions here.

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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:48 am
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Don't mean to be 'that guy' who throws a spanner into the works... But- 8) :lol:

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Could you imagine the riots!! :lol:


Ha.....I've heard rumors that American Standard pickups were actually being made in Mexico (at least for a brief period of time). But that isn't too much of stretch if you think about it; aren't the Tex-Mex pickups basically overwound versions of American Standard pup's?


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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:01 am
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Don't mean to be 'that guy' who throws a spanner into the works... But- 8) :lol:

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Could you imagine the riots!! :lol:


Ha.....I've heard rumors that American Standard pickups were actually being made in Mexico (at least for a brief period of time). But that isn't too much of stretch if you think about it; aren't the Tex-Mex pickups basically overwound versions of American Standard pup's?

The older style humbuckers plastic bobbin singles and 5 way switches are being made there now yep.

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:26 am
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All plastic bobbin singles in American guitars were made in USA though. The American Standard Humbucker and the Twin Head are USA made as well.

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:56 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
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Then I have no idea what you're looking for because to me, they're identical in build quality. There are certainly clear quality differences in material and components with Asian Squiers, but can't see it with the US/MIM products.

The MIA seems to have a slightly wider nut on feel, confirmed on specs. Big deal. I'm not paying double for that amount of real estate. Slightly different sounds, but they don't use the same pickups.



OK here are the differences between Mexican and American Fenders but you sound like your already convinced so its probably pointless to explain it to you.

OK your talking to a guy that plays semi pro, the picture you see is me. I have played and built guitars going on almost 40 years.
I also build my own and alot of other peoples strats here where I live but you probably dont believe that.

Now first the wood its the most important part of your guitar. Mexico gets what Corona rejects.

Second the frets, Mexican frets are made in mexico and the temper and rockwell is not correct because I cant tell you how many worn out mexican frets I have to replace for people, USA uses Dunlop high quality steel frets

Third hardware and electronics, ok it gets tricky here because some of the stuff is the same pots switches wire bolts screws capacitors pickguards. Only difference is one is from USA and one is from Mexico.
The bridge Mexicans and American Specials get cheap pot metal $30 bridges, they suck they break and they are only any good if you never want to use the tremolo.
The Mexican pickups are a cheaper grade of magnet ceramic as apposed to alnico 5 in american hand made pickups.
Fourth the finish is a cheap grade brittle polyester not polyurethane or lacquer because its very cheap and easy to spray and make look like glass.

Most of the CNC and pickup winding machines Mexico has are the ones America handed down when they upgraded. This is how most all business industry works its not unique to Fender.

Other than that they are fine guitars.
I dont look down on anyone for buying or owning them but you couldnt pay me to waste my money on them. I will just save longer and buy the real thing.
Because when it seems to good to be true it usually is and you get what you pay for.
Now a young student or hobby player Im sure a Mexican Fender or Chinese Epiphone would be all they need.

Do you think Fender would really make one just as good at half the price? No.
Do you think its really just the wage difference with the worker giving you the savings? No.

You want to believe that you spend novice money and get a pro product? That just does not happen on this planet Im sorry.


Hey Donny,

I have heard the discussions about how the modern two-point bridge is better than the vintage six-point bridge for tuning stability while using the trem and don't disagree... but are you saying that the US Specials with the six-point are made from inferior metal to the modern two-point? Many of the US signature series Strats and even some Custom Shops still use the six-point.

I have looked into the Bladerunners but they are pricey and I do not use my trem all that much... played my Special for six months with the little silver sticker from the factory still covering the trem hole before I finally peeled it off and screwed the trem in. But if I ever get my Dave Murray Strat, or even win the lottery and get a Gilmour... its going to have a six-point trem too!

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:32 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
Drubbing wrote:
Then I have no idea what you're looking for because to me, they're identical in build quality. There are certainly clear quality differences in material and components with Asian Squiers, but can't see it with the US/MIM products.

The MIA seems to have a slightly wider nut on feel, confirmed on specs. Big deal. I'm not paying double for that amount of real estate. Slightly different sounds, but they don't use the same pickups.



OK here are the differences between Mexican and American Fenders but you sound like your already convinced so its probably pointless to explain it to you.

OK your talking to a guy that plays semi pro, the picture you see is me. I have played and built guitars going on almost 40 years.
I also build my own and alot of other peoples strats here where I live but you probably dont believe that.

Now first the wood its the most important part of your guitar. Mexico gets what Corona rejects.

Second the frets, Mexican frets are made in mexico and the temper and rockwell is not correct because I cant tell you how many worn out mexican frets I have to replace for people, USA uses Dunlop high quality steel frets

Third hardware and electronics, ok it gets tricky here because some of the stuff is the same pots switches wire bolts screws capacitors pickguards. Only difference is one is from USA and one is from Mexico.
The bridge Mexicans and American Specials get cheap pot metal $30 bridges, they suck they break and they are only any good if you never want to use the tremolo.
The Mexican pickups are a cheaper grade of magnet ceramic as apposed to alnico 5 in american hand made pickups.
Fourth the finish is a cheap grade brittle polyester not polyurethane or lacquer because its very cheap and easy to spray and make look like glass.

Most of the CNC and pickup winding machines Mexico has are the ones America handed down when they upgraded. This is how most all business industry works its not unique to Fender.

Other than that they are fine guitars.
I dont look down on anyone for buying or owning them but you couldnt pay me to waste my money on them. I will just save longer and buy the real thing.
Because when it seems to good to be true it usually is and you get what you pay for.
Now a young student or hobby player Im sure a Mexican Fender or Chinese Epiphone would be all they need.

Do you think Fender would really make one just as good at half the price? No.
Do you think its really just the wage difference with the worker giving you the savings? No.

You want to believe that you spend novice money and get a pro product? That just does not happen on this planet Im sorry.


Hey Donny,

I have heard the discussions about how the modern two-point bridge is better than the vintage six-point bridge for tuning stability while using the trem and don't disagree... but are you saying that the US Specials with the six-point are made from inferior metal to the modern two-point? Many of the US signature series Strats and even some Custom Shops still use the six-point.

I have looked into the Bladerunners but they are pricey and I do not use my trem all that much... played my Special for six months with the little silver sticker from the factory still covering the trem hole before I finally peeled it off and screwed the trem in. But if I ever get my Dave Murray Strat, or even win the lottery and get a Gilmour... its going to have a six-point trem too!



Hi Tiger
I happen to know quite a bit about your six screw tremolo.
There are two grade that go on the Fender guitars the one that comes on the American Special is in fact the exact same one that comes on the Mexican Standard. If you buy it in the bag as a part its tag says made in Taiwan it sells for $29.99 in our store.
The American Vintage 6 screw tremolo sells for $99.99 its made in USA and it is far superior it has a steel block overall just a nice tremolo. It will not fit yours the six screw spacing is different.

The Blade Runner at $150 is your option for a supreme high performance oem looking tremolo. The blade runner is the most fantastic tremolo I have put my hands on to date for a stock Stratocaster, super easy to install. I use them along with the Fender Locking Tuners they are fine hardware also made in Taiwan but extremely well made and dependable. Your Texas Specials are in fact the Custom Shop Texas Specials without the stickers they are all made in the same place in USA. I think the American Special is the best guitar for the money and my favorite, it sports Jumbo frets and that great Fender neck profile we all know and love.

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:48 pm
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Donny,

While I have you on the line: If I were to want to swap out the bridge pup on my Am Spl for one of those humbuckers that fits in the single-coil slot... which would you recommend? Also, would doing such a switch require switching to different pots?

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:06 pm
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Tiger J wrote:
Donny,

While I have you on the line: If I were to want to swap out the bridge pup on my Am Spl for one of those humbuckers that fits in the single-coil slot... which would you recommend? Also, would doing such a switch require switching to different pots?



I run 250k stock fenders just like Fender does with Fender and Seymour Duncan humbuckers they always sound best. So no dont change your pot it does not give you more output and the taper is just more like on and off not a smooth turn down as in the 250k.
In Les Paul I run 300k stock volumes, 500k volume pots are just to much.
If you want a single coil sized humbucker the Dimarzio Super Distortion S sounds great and so does the Seymor Duncan Lil JB they both have an output close to a full sized humbucker.

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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:47 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
The Blade Runner at $150 is your option for a supreme high performance oem looking tremolo. The blade runner is the most fantastic tremolo I have put my hands on to date for a stock Stratocaster, super easy to install. I use them along with the Fender Locking Tuners they are fine hardware also made in Taiwan but extremely well made and dependable. Your Texas Specials are in fact the Custom Shop Texas Specials without the stickers they are all made in the same place in USA. I think the American Special is the best guitar for the money and my favorite, it sports Jumbo frets and that great Fender neck profile we all know and love.

Donny,
Have you tried the Callaham bridge assembly and block. I put one into my MIM and couldn't be happier...

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:03 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
The Blade Runner at $150 is your option for a supreme high performance oem looking tremolo. The blade runner is the most fantastic tremolo I have put my hands on to date for a stock Stratocaster, super easy to install. I use them along with the Fender Locking Tuners they are fine hardware also made in Taiwan but extremely well made and dependable. Your Texas Specials are in fact the Custom Shop Texas Specials without the stickers they are all made in the same place in USA. I think the American Special is the best guitar for the money and my favorite, it sports Jumbo frets and that great Fender neck profile we all know and love.

Donny,
Have you tried the Callaham bridge assembly and block. I put one into my MIM and couldn't be happier...

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No I have heard really good things about them though I have seen some of the parts and they are super high quality so Im sure you are very happy.
Most of my tremolo work is Van Halen like so a Fender 2 point deluxe resting on the body with a standard nut and locking tuners is my first chioce.
I actually stuck an American Standard body on my highway 1 so i could do just that with it.
But a 6 crew conversion I am really happy with my blade runner.

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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:02 am
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Everyone is talking in general. And yes in general, the American made starts are better in every way. But then some models make you stop and double think the general consensus. Take me for example -- I walked into Guitar Center last night and bought a $900 dollar Mexican stratocaster!!!!! Why you ask?

Nitro finish body -- check
Nitro finish neck -- check
9.5 inch radius -- check
locking tuners -- check
american pickups -- check
hardshell case -- check ( A G&G this much nicer then the American Standard)
played great -- check
sounds incredible -- check

This was the 60TH Anniversary Classic Player '50s Stratocaster. I swear this thing is of the same quality as some of the 1700+ stratocasters out there. And besides, I was looking for a vintage styled fender, but wanted a 9.5 inch neck with at least medium jumbo frets. And this one had that neck.

I love this guitar. Yea, its made in Mexico. Who gives a damn. If you are happy with it, don't worry about it. Buy what sounds/feels/budgets best for you. And just Rock out!

By the way here are some pick of my beastie - not my exact one, just links form google images haven't had a chance to photograph mine yet.

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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:43 am
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vparikh wrote:
Everyone is talking in general. And yes in general, the American made starts are better in every way. But then some models make you stop and double think the general consensus. Take me for example -- I walked into Guitar Center last night and bought a $900 dollar Mexican stratocaster!!!!! Why you ask?

Nitro finish body -- check
Nitro finish neck -- check
9.5 inch radius -- check
locking tuners -- check
american pickups -- check
hardshell case -- check ( A G&G this much nicer then the American Standard)
played great -- check
sounds incredible -- check

This was the 60TH Anniversary Classic Player '50s Stratocaster. I swear this thing is of the same quality as some of the 1700+ stratocasters out there. And besides, I was looking for a vintage styled fender, but wanted a 9.5 inch neck with at least medium jumbo frets. And this one had that neck.

I love this guitar. Yea, its made in Mexico. Who gives a damn. If you are happy with it, don't worry about it. Buy what sounds/feels/budgets best for you. And just Rock out!

By the way here are some pick of my beastie - not my exact one, just links form google images haven't had a chance to photograph mine yet.

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I see... so what your saying is if you or any your family has their jobs exported to Mexico you got some Mexican to eat and you guys will be just fine. Well Viva La Mexico. :)

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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:49 am
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I see... so what your saying is if you or any your family has their jobs exported to Mexico you got some Mexican to eat and you guys will be just fine. Well Viva La Mexico. :)


I thought this discussion was on the quality of MIM Strats vs American Strats - not the social/political ramifications of trade policies/economic implications :?


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I see... so what your saying is if you or any your family has their jobs exported to Mexico you got some Mexican to eat and you guys will be just fine. Well Viva La Mexico. :)


I thought this discussion was on the quality of MIM Strats vs American Strats - not the social/political ramifications of trade policies/economic implications :?


I guess you can cover the truth with some fancy words yeah.

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Im happy for you that you got a new guitar. Now let me explain what maybe you didnt realize. When you walked into Guitar Center with $900 you were the man. You could have with that same money got an American Special and got a case in the deal, by the way its a better guitar. Actually if you would have threatened to walk out and see what sweetwater was offering you would have walked out with an American Standard, way better guitar.
Now when you bought one of those American guitars the fat cat big wigs at Fender would have got their money, but wait a min they always get their money no matter what Fender you buy right? The Guitar Center salesman well he got his money so he gets to buy Mcdonalds, and you would have made sure that your American brothers and sisters were getting their paycheck to buy Mcdonalds too. We all know the Fender fat cat big wigs will be eating T bone steak no matter what anyway.
The American consumer kills me, I hear them say well the American worker makes to much so I have to buy an import to save money. Then out of the other side of their mouth they say I need a raise because I cant pay my rent and eat at Mcdonalds. I wonder how many of them realize that one feeds the other?
That old bumper sticker still holds true, Hungry? Eat your import.

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