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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:35 am
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donnycraven wrote:
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i will not return it but for sure i will upgrade it in future.



Remember you get what you pay for.
Is Fender going to cut its own throat with its own product? No.
Fender sort of does it like this, if you wont give them $1099 for an American Stratocaster then they got one half as good for half the price from a third world country.
Then if you dont have $500 they got one from Indonesia for $199.
At no time would a company or does a company make their budget import better than their flagship product.


Or if you can't afford top end but want something better than a new Indonesian, get it used. I've done so with a MIM model. It came down to either a very low-end new one, or a mid-range used one that I could upgrade. I took the latter and will be getting some YJM pickups for it in the future. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

I can't afford a new Strat at this time so I'll care for my used one with Fender products.


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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:38 pm
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MIM Stds and MIA Am Stds are BOTH fabulous guitars for the money. But with an MIA Am Std you will get:

1) More expensive pickups (not that the MIMs are bad ...)
2) Better hardware/tuners (not that the MIMs are bad ...)
3) An awesome hardshell case
4) Better bridge/block
5) People mention the necks ... I think the MIM quality is right there, but I sure MISS having a 22nd fret on my MIM Std

Is an Am Std worth it? Yes! Absolutely!
Is a MIM Std worth it? Yes! Absolutely!

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:36 am
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nyuk nyuk wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
tommy36 wrote:
hi ,

i will not return it but for sure i will upgrade it in future.



Remember you get what you pay for.
Is Fender going to cut its own throat with its own product? No.
Fender sort of does it like this, if you wont give them $1099 for an American Stratocaster then they got one half as good for half the price from a third world country.
Then if you dont have $500 they got one from Indonesia for $199.
At no time would a company or does a company make their budget import better than their flagship product.


Or if you can't afford top end but want something better than a new Indonesian, get it used. I've done so with a MIM model. It came down to either a very low-end new one, or a mid-range used one that I could upgrade. I took the latter and will be getting some YJM pickups for it in the future. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

I can't afford a new Strat at this time so I'll care for my used one with Fender products.


You could also just go to Zzounds.com or AMS and just make payments on a good new American Standard Stratocaster and not have to replace anything.

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:32 am
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donnycraven wrote:
Remember you get what you pay for.
Is Fender going to cut its own throat with its own product? No.
Fender sort of does it like this, if you wont give them $1099 for an American Stratocaster then they got one half as good for half the price from a third world country.
Then if you dont have $500 they got one from Indonesia for $199.
At no time would a company or does a company make their budget import better than their flagship product.

Is Mexico 3rd world? If so, that must be how Fender get their guitars made cheaper. It's just about next door. That would help in sharing resources too.

I won't give Fender $2000 for a MIA, that's what they cost here, the cost/value ratio is out of whack. And you don't get a case. I'd be pretty happy with a MIM for $700. I'd argue it's way more than half the guitar for half the cost. Feels and sounds very good to me.

The argument has gone on long enough to know plenty of people are just as happy with MIMs as MIAs. I think Fender lets the market create its own biases.


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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:50 am
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Drubbing wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
Remember you get what you pay for.
Is Fender going to cut its own throat with its own product? No.
Fender sort of does it like this, if you wont give them $1099 for an American Stratocaster then they got one half as good for half the price from a third world country.
Then if you dont have $500 they got one from Indonesia for $199.
At no time would a company or does a company make their budget import better than their flagship product.

Is Mexico 3rd world? If so, that must be how Fender get their guitars made cheaper. It's just about next door. That would help in sharing resources too.

I won't give Fender $2000 for a MIA, that's what they cost here, the cost/value ratio is out of whack. And you don't get a case. I'd be pretty happy with a MIM for $700. I'd argue it's way more than half the guitar for half the cost. Feels and sounds very good to me.

The argument has gone on long enough to know plenty of people are just as happy with MIMs as MIAs. I think Fender lets the market create its own biases.

I wont own one they dont have the quality Im looking for.

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:04 am
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You can get an American Special Strat and get the best of both worlds! I was on a budget and was happy to sacrifice the hard case for a gig bag and I personally really like the large headstocks better, so it made sense over an American Standard and didn't cost much more than a MIM Deluxe.

Fender has the US Professional series now too for right at $999 street price. And the US Nitro-Satin series which is around $800. No way you HAVE to spend $2000 for a US Strat!

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:12 am
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I like the dunlop 6100 frets on the American Specials Tiger J. All they need is locking tuners and a BLADE RUNNER tremolo to be perfect to me. I be going all Van Halen 1 on that Atomic humbucker lol! :)

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:25 pm
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I wont own one they dont have the quality Im looking for.

Then I have no idea what you're looking for because to me, they're identical in build quality. There are certainly clear quality differences in material and components with Asian Squiers, but can't see it with the US/MIM products.

The MIA seems to have a slightly wider nut on feel, confirmed on specs. Big deal. I'm not paying double for that amount of real estate. Slightly different sounds, but they don't use the same pickups.


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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:01 pm
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Then I have no idea what you're looking for because to me, they're identical in build quality. There are certainly clear quality differences in material and components with Asian Squiers, but can't see it with the US/MIM products.

The MIA seems to have a slightly wider nut on feel, confirmed on specs. Big deal. I'm not paying double for that amount of real estate. Slightly different sounds, but they don't use the same pickups.



OK here are the differences between Mexican and American Fenders but you sound like your already convinced so its probably pointless to explain it to you.

OK your talking to a guy that plays semi pro, the picture you see is me. I have played and built guitars going on almost 40 years.
I also build my own and alot of other peoples strats here where I live but you probably dont believe that.

Now first the wood its the most important part of your guitar. Mexico gets what Corona rejects.

Second the frets, Mexican frets are made in mexico and the temper and rockwell is not correct because I cant tell you how many worn out mexican frets I have to replace for people, USA uses Dunlop high quality steel frets

Third hardware and electronics, ok it gets tricky here because some of the stuff is the same pots switches wire bolts screws capacitors pickguards. Only difference is one is from USA and one is from Mexico.
The bridge Mexicans and American Specials get cheap pot metal $30 bridges, they suck they break and they are only any good if you never want to use the tremolo.
The Mexican pickups are a cheaper grade of magnet ceramic as apposed to alnico 5 in american hand made pickups.
Fourth the finish is a cheap grade brittle polyester not polyurethane or lacquer because its very cheap and easy to spray and make look like glass.

Most of the CNC and pickup winding machines Mexico has are the ones America handed down when they upgraded. This is how most all business industry works its not unique to Fender.

Other than that they are fine guitars.
I dont look down on anyone for buying or owning them but you couldnt pay me to waste my money on them. I will just save longer and buy the real thing.
Because when it seems to good to be true it usually is and you get what you pay for.
Now a young student or hobby player Im sure a Mexican Fender or Chinese Epiphone would be all they need.

Do you think Fender would really make one just as good at half the price? No.
Do you think its really just the wage difference with the worker giving you the savings? No.

You want to believe that you spend novice money and get a pro product? That just does not happen on this planet Im sorry.

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:11 pm
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tommy36 wrote:
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i like to tell about my own experience , i always heard many people say that there is no Difference between the MIA and MIM , so yesterday i went to know that self , so i did purchase a new MIM 2013 Guitar . in red and maple Neck . and did play it the whole day . i can see that i m really sorry . because i find out that the MIM have nothing to do with even the most cheaper MIA Guitars that i own . the sound is really different . the finish is not the same , the MIA is really a hight finish quality . and the Neck is really Comfortable . so i understand now why the MIA cost 3 times the price of one MIM .



I hope this is a good school for you not to buy cheap copies when originals are readily available. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:26 pm
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I dont look down on anyone for buying or owning them but you couldnt pay me to waste my money on them. I will just save longer and buy the real thing.


Thanks. Way to not look down on anyone...

Seriously, backing up your opinion with playing credentials is pointless. The fact that guitar nerds can reel off all this stuff is proof enough that they look to find stuff that isn't there, or is debatable to make a difference. C'mon, you've been in the Mexican factory and can know exactly how things are done, and the age of the CNC really is one of the deal breakers? Please.

As for MIMs only being good enough for beginners and kids, wellI must tell my friend the pro musician and teacher, who thinks the MIM tele std is awesome. Or the guy who at work, who's been playing 10 years and now studying at music school, a standout player who has to 'make do' with a MIM Strat...


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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:35 pm
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Drubbing wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
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I dont look down on anyone for buying or owning them but you couldnt pay me to waste my money on them. I will just save longer and buy the real thing.


Thanks. Way to not look down on anyone...

Seriously, backing up your opinion with playing credentials is pointless. The fact that guitar nerds can reel off all this stuff is proof enough that they look to find stuff that isn't there, or is debatable to make a difference. C'mon, you've been in the Mexican factory and can know exactly how things are done, and the age of the CNC really is one of the deal breakers? Please.

As for MIMs only being good enough for beginners and kids, wellI must tell my friend the pro musician and teacher, who thinks the MIM tele std is awesome. Or the guy who at work, who's been playing 10 years and now studying at music school, a standout player who has to 'make do' with a MIM Strat...



So why did you bother asking if you already knew everything?

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:53 pm
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I've made my mind up based on my own experience, and you're missing my main point about cost/value in my market. I don't pretend to know what happens in US or Mex factories, and I don't really care. So much of that stuff is a justification for gear snobbery, and most can't even be verified.

I never said a MIM is exactly the same as a MIA. But I certainly can't tell the difference in build. I don't feel it's half the guitar for half the price. It seems guitar forums is the only place the everyday non gear head players have the wrong opinion.

If people feel there's a difference they'll pay for in the more expensive products, fine. That's why they make different guitars.


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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:58 pm
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For me personally, have to agree that the MIM are NOT as good as the USA guitars.
They're not bad.... but they're not great either. The best Stratocasters I've played are USA strats. Period...
The build quality is better, the pickups and hardware are better, the finishes are better, they play better and they sound better.
Agree that for people who are of "Hobby Player" status.. yeah, a Mexi will do... but when you make your living with your guitar(s)... You play a high quality instrument(s) like a USA Startocaster... because they cut the mustard. When your income depends on it... It's not snobbery or cork sniffing... it's a reality... You get kind of "Hyper Sensitive" to the quality of the instruments you play... They MUST be VERY GOOD... not just good enough.

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Post subject: Re: Americain standard startocaster VS mexicain starto
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:08 pm
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Drubbing wrote:
I've made my mind up based on my own experience, and you're missing my main point about cost/value in my market. I don't pretend to know what happens in US or Mex factories, and I don't really care. So much of that stuff is a justification for gear snobbery, and most can't even be verified.

I never said a MIM is exactly the same as a MIA. But I certainly can't tell the difference in build. I don't feel it's half the guitar for half the price. It seems guitar forums is the only place the everyday non gear head players have the wrong opinion.

If people feel there's a difference they'll pay for in the more expensive products, fine. That's why they make different guitars.



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Your free to do as you wish with your money and I will still be your friend.
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