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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:41 am
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Could that cause the trem not to return to the same position though ?


It shouldn't as the movement of the bridge at the pivot contact point is minuscule in comparison to the strings at the nut and tuners....
I still think that this is where your problem is, also what are you using for string sizes...???

By LSR nut... You do refer to the one with the roller bearings ... ??
And are the locking tuners of the staggered posts style...??
If so then are you using a string tree ...??

Staggered tuners and LSR bearing nut render the string tree as obsolete, as the tree now interferes with the string travel....

These if applicable could also be part of the problem....

The Locking tuners are split into two staggered Heights + No I have removed the string tree


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:46 am
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I doubt if the plate edges could be fixed to as good a condition as a new plate. I suppose that the edges could be resharpened with a diamond sharpener, such as one used to sharpen knife serrations, but still doubt if the edges could be made good as new.

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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:15 am
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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:16 am
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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:42 am
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It looks to me like the bridge plate doesn't sit flat to the body because the bridge posts aren't screwed in properly.
That will not help tuning stability.

Can you slacken off all the strings and post another photo of the bridge?


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:53 am
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Here's a couple of Pictures with the strings completely slacked.
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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:59 pm
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I had a suspicion that the assembly wouldn't sit flat on the guitar body.

Adjust the bridge posts so that the baseplate sits flat on the body.
Then it's time tune up and to set the guitar up again - the height of the saddles will need adjusting at the very least.


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:06 pm
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Thanks, stratmangler, Should that fix it then ?


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:27 pm
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Provided you haven't damaged the knife edges you should find the tremolo is more predictable in use, and it should return to pitch more reliably.

I have similar hardware on my Deluxe Strat (it was HSS but currently sporting SSS pickguard/pups), and I find that it reliably returns to pitch after decking the bar, not that I make a habit of doing that.
I tend to use the bar with more subtlety to give shimmer to chords, and occasionally to articulate transitions from one fret to another, which is probably more in keeping with Leo's original concept.


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:46 pm
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I have noticed a slight improvement, but it's still nothing near as accurate as I achieved through using the six screw. Any more suggestions ? Im almost certain its the bridge because everything is as it should be up the neck.
I did have the same upward pull intervals (Minor third on G, Full tone on B and Semi-tone on high E) on the six screw but was looking for more space to push the whammy down hence why I got the two point.

edit: I know its almost impossible due to the highly proffessional guitar techs he has but I am trying to recreate the Jeff Beck intervals with the bridge returning to the same position each time he uses the bar, regardless of which way he pulls it. (Up or Down)


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:06 pm
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As has already been pointed out, you might have damaged the knife edges on the tremolo baseplate.

Another consideration is the strings, and whether they've been properly fitted/stretched. The locking tuners do not require several turns around the post before you lock them up.
You should literally pull the string tight through the hole and clamp it up, and it should be at pitch with just a couple or so turns of the machine head key.

Then there's the roller nut - if it has been properly installed then the string should not bind anywhere on the wood behind the nut. If it does then there's another problem to sort out.

Just had another look at your photos, and I can see that there's not excessive string wrap to cause issues, nor do the strings appear to be dragging on the wood behind the nut.

The knife edges on the tremolo baseplate could more likely be the cause of your tuning instability.


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:49 am
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The knife edges on the tremolo baseplate could more likely be the cause of your tuning instability.

So what you're suggesting is a new tremolo plate ?


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:28 am
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calumlane wrote:
So what you're suggesting is a new tremolo plate ?


Yes.
That, and possibly the posts as well.


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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:41 am
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Looks like I'm going to have to get a new bridge plate...
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Post subject: Re: Tuning Problem, 2 point Tremolo
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:46 am
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calumlane wrote:
Looks like I'm going to have to get a new bridge plate...
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That doesn't look good.
I'd replace the posts too, just to be on the safe side


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