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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:58 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
Hey no worries.
What makes you think the top pic is the personality card structure.
To me they both seem to relate to solderless pickups.
The plug for the personality strat is in a different spot etc and are there any ribbon cables so yep that is what I mean and why I wanted someone to show us the final structure :D


At this point I can only go by assumption but when I searched for example "loaded pickguard for personality card Stratocaster".. this come up described as "Fender Strat Deluxe Plus Circuitry".....
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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:28 am
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Yep but the photo is really about solderless pickups with the possibilty of adding a card of some sort hence my original link to the article so you could make your own mind up. :D


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:47 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
Yep but the photo is really about solderless pickups with the possibilty of adding a card of some sort hence my original link to the article so you could make your own mind up. :D


Yes but that is the photo you have. The one I am posting is what comes up specifically when searching for what the circuitry looks like on a personality card setup. So, either they are using the same electronics from the prototype for the "solderless pickups" used in that 2012 NAMM show for the Deluxe plus, or whomever posted that pic for Fender under "Strat deluxe plus" got it wrong.

Now also consider they both are referred to as "solderless" and that makes sense as if you were to replace a pup it would be solderless, as well when you change a card you are essentially rewiring the guitar "solderless". The only real difference is they don't sell solderless pickups...at least not yet.

But you did get me curious and now I to would like to have a peek under the hood of one of those pluses and see if it is the same thing as the photos here.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:34 am
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Honestly I do not understand why some of you old dogs are so resistant and negative to change. You still can get a zillion strats without this feature....why is the fact that they are trying something new and innovative seem so offensive to some of you?


Perhaps it's because I've had to repair/replace countless numbers of those sleazy ribbon cables and connectors over the decades, and not all of them in entry-level guitar amps. I'm not at all "offended" by such substandard components -- I merely know them for what they are and regard them with utter contempt.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:24 am
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Yeah! And, get off my lawn!!!


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:58 am
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ebaysux wrote:
Honestly I do not understand why some of you old dogs are so resistant and negative to change. You still can get a zillion strats without this feature....why is the fact that they are trying something new and innovative seem so offensive to some of you?


Perhaps it's because I've had to repair/replace countless numbers of those sleazy ribbon cables and connectors over the decades, and not all of them in entry-level guitar amps. I'm not at all "offended" by such substandard components -- I merely know them for what they are and regard them with utter contempt.

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+1

Another component not specifically designed to carry audio signals. It is not particulary immune to EMI.

Initially, it was designed for the small-packaging and high G load demands of the aerospace industry.

Other industries adopted it for small-packaging, but also to lower production costs... in some cases accepting some major compromises in the bargain.

IMHO, if you're paying $500-$2500 for a guitar, the Mfgr. should be willing to absorb the cost of a dozen solder joints.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:05 am
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Jimmyjames - I posted that photo, which I got from a thread on these guitars over on Strat-Talk. I guess I'm picking up mis-information since you found that same photo in the Music Zoo piece on some prototypes from the 2012 NAMM show.

Now I'm curious also - I would like to see if they did implement this assembly or if they are using something else on these Deluxe Strat Plus models.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:44 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
ebaysux wrote:
Honestly I do not understand why some of you old dogs are so resistant and negative to change. You still can get a zillion strats without this feature....why is the fact that they are trying something new and innovative seem so offensive to some of you?


Perhaps it's because I've had to repair/replace countless numbers of those sleazy ribbon cables and connectors over the decades, and not all of them in entry-level guitar amps. I'm not at all "offended" by such substandard components -- I merely know them for what they are and regard them with utter contempt.

Arjay


+1

Another component not specifically designed to carry audio signals. It is not particulary immune to EMI.

Initially, it was designed for the small-packaging and high G load demands of the aerospace industry.

Other industries adopted it for small-packaging, but also to lower production costs... in some cases accepting some major compromises in the bargain.

IMHO, if you're paying $500-$2500 for a guitar, the Mfgr. should be willing to absorb the cost of a dozen solder joints.

cheers! :D



I understand both of you guys concerns but it seems you are trying to find faults and problems and suggesting conspiracy theories when so far none of those problems have been reported. Now I myself have to deal with ribbon cables...heck sometimes I have to pull the head unit out of a $90,000 German car, take the head unit apart, and replace boards to add nav and backup cameras to touch screens. It am a nervous wreck the entire time but take my time so I do not break anything and so far knock on wood not a single issue.

I would assume Fender has thoroughly tested these out before releasing as it would be a financial and reputation disaster if they all started having issues during warranty and thousands were being sent back defective. This is a company that has produced flops before I give you that but, I do not believe they would ever produce anything with intent to fail or intent to market into obsolescence just to make a quick buck.

As I stated I think they did this looking ahead to future upgrades such as new cards (a hint is the extra holder slots in the "wallet") and possibly pups etc that will be a breeze for anyone to replace. It might be "consumerism" in a sense but that is how companies stay in business...by getting people to consume. But I don't think it is going to be like an iphone where every year they get people lining up for the next one but will just introduce upgrades over time and market it (similar to "apps").

But no one is forced to buy any of it. Heck I still have the original Iphone 3g and it still does everything I need it to without a problem, so I used my free will not to be suckered into upgrading just to keep up with the Jonses. Granted I know the 4 and 5 have a much better camera so it got me thinking...

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:13 pm
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Thanks JohnC you're the man! :D


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
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I just bought one of these. The cards work really well in giving you some different sounds. I hav had quite a few American Strats and at least for me, I like having some options. We will see how reliable it is. If something happens, then a fully loaded pickguard will be in order, but I honestly don't think it will be an issue.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:42 am
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Oh yeah and further to this here is a link to what the final config actually looks like ... A bit different to probably what we all thought though it does not really show how the card interfaces to it :D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USA-Fender-Delu ... 20f8a33c05


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:35 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
Oh yeah and further to this here is a link to what the final config actually looks like ... A bit different to probably what we all thought though it does not really show how the card interfaces to it :D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USA-Fender-Delu ... 20f8a33c05


Hi jimmy_james,

This is interesting; I have looked at the service diagram (found under the Support section on the American Deluxe Strat Plus page) but hadn't turned up a photo of the real thing yet. From the diagrams it looks like the ribbon wire connector from the box for the personality cards plugs in right next to the switch. Here's a link:

http://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Origi ... A_SISD.pdf

It is hidden by the switch box in the photo from the Stratosphere ebay ad. You can see the ribbon wire in the fifth photo in the auction.

I think this is also one of the reasons why these American Deluxe Strat Plus models cost less than the other American Deluxes - there isn't any soldering, just people screwing the parts into place and plugging in the connectors into the circuit card. It looks like the switch box also just plugs into the circuit card. Cuts way down on assembly labor.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:42 pm
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Hi John hey thanks for the link.
I did see the card ribbon but could not see how it attached.
Now I know! :D


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:37 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
What is it about a gig, or being in the studio, that doesn't afford 10 seconds to change cards? :roll:


If I can change a battery or retune to drop d between songs, changing a card shouldn't be a problem.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Strat Pluses w/ solderless personality c
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:09 pm
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Someone on another thread posted that there are about 20 more cards coming out


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