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Post subject: Re: Basswood compared to Alder .EQuing?
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:18 pm
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Electric guitars do not get their sound from the wood at all, you could take a strat neck, bridge and pickgaurd and strap them to s cinder block and get the same exact sound, Electric guitar tone wood is a myth


What? You mean like this?
I suppose you think this contraption sounds exactly like any other Strat.
I suppose you don't notice how bright it is.
I suppose you don't notice that they stuffed a rag into the strings behind the saddles.
I suppose you don't notice that they never even mention the rag.
I don't suppose you notice how much sustain this contraption has.
I don't suppose you were able to surmise that the rag was likely put there to reduce sustain and possibly muffle the tone somewhat to make it sound more like a normal electric guitar because the added clarity and harmonics provided by the cinder block makes it sound so very, very different.

You might want to check your so called facts before you try to speak with authority about things you clearly know nothing about.
Many have come before and tried to use this video to prove that construction materials are irrelevant to tone but the argument does not stand up under scrutiny.
All it proves is that you can make a guitar out of anything and it will still make sound.
It does not prove the materials used will have no affect on that sound.
Quite the opposite, it proves materials do matter.

I think Kreature been watching to much utube BMW! Dam I hate some of those videos people post, Look at this blah blah!

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Post subject: Re: Basswood compared to Alder .EQuing?
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:02 pm
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actually i do believe that wood material affects the tone! how much is another question.
often i'm surprised when ppl say that they don't even notice difference between say texas specials and cs 69 . they both strat pups and sound like strat pups but they still sound different. i think it comes down to your mental approach to things and paying attention to detail or some ppl have poor ear to a sound of than others.

basswood is a good tone wood , fat , very resonant lots of sustain . its got flat eq curve though and therefore lacks a character a little . i got interesting variations using parametric eq as a matter of fact!


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Post subject: Re: Basswood compared to Alder .EQuing?
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:27 pm
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Kreature wrote:
the sound of an amplified electric comes down to the electronics., the frets, the nut, and the bridge, Electric guitars do not get their sound from the wood at all, you could take a strat neck, bridge and pickgaurd and strap them to s cinder block and get the same exact sound, Electric guitar tone wood is a myth, Acoustic guitars are another story, I know that there are plenty of people that will disagree, but they are wrong, the wood is not important to the sound, It comes down to the player and electronics, amplifier, pedals, and hardware used, Tone is in your fingers, the gear used, and the electronic circuiy and hardware of the guitar, the wood does not matter, Your guitar pickups are electro magnetic, wood is not a magnetic material so your pickups do not transmit the sound of wood,


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Post subject: Re: Basswood compared to Alder .EQuing?
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:32 am
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Kreature wrote:
yes the amp should be shut off if you want to hear a difference in tone with 2 strats made from different woods, since wood is not magnetic and all and the only time you will hear the difference is acoustically, otherwise amplified they will sound the same, there are reasons why some would think that 2 guitars of differnt woods would sound different, tone caps, pickup heighth, No 2 pickups are wound exactly the same and no 2 potentiometers are the exact same due to manufacturing tolerances, these factors will make people believe that two different woods sound different,This is basic electronics, Any difference you believe you hear is psychosomatic... :shock: :lol: and can not be scientifically proven, it is always the elctronics, it is never the wood, it is always the difference in the overall circuit, the electric guitar tonewood myth is nothing more than marketing tactic ....if you must beleive that paying more for a high dollar piece of wood makes your guitar a better instrument then by all means continue.... If you care about facts do the research and tests yourself and learn the truth, if you can prove me wrong go for it, but I study electronics and guitars and I already know the truth, So good luck with that.


Kreature of Habit... You may want to reassess and actually do some legit lab work concerning properties of wood densities, electromagnetic fields ( concerning pickups ), as well as construction methods.....

To your earlier post.... You cannot compare acoustic guitars to electric guitars... One is a mechanically derived form of amplification (acoustic ) whereas the other is dependent upon an electromagnetic field, the disturbances of that field translated to an electric signal which is then translated to an audible signal ( the electric guitar ) thru a diaphragm...

Wood and it's density does indeed matter for the subject at hand.... It's all about a vibrations unimpaired route as it travels repeatedly along the path of Bridge to Nut.
There is more going on than just a string's oscillation within that electro magnetic field...

I cut two Strat bodies ( 1 Tele body ) from the same 1 piece Ash blank.... Both will have exactly the same Pups, Fender 60's, same tuners.. Kluson Deluxes ... Same bridge, Fender Vintage 6 point...
The difference will be in the final colors, Cherry Red Sunburst and Tobacco Sunburst, One with an Ebony / Rosewood fretboard neck, the other with a Maple neck....
I guarantee, they will sound completely different, due to a variation in grain pattern, as well as densities from fretboard and neck materials....

There are plenty of threads on this Forum debating these issues, some from much more accomplished builders than I.... You might want to do some research before shouting from the ramparts that the rest of us are in need of enlightenment....

Bravo.... On Troll-Point counts..... Debating musical subjects intelligently is what this Forum is about, not coming on here and heralding yourself as a know it all because you study electronics.
There are a few here with qualifications that far surpass your present state....

Be humble and you are welcome.... Be Troll like and you are annoying and dismissed as ... :!:

But ..... YMMV

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