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Post subject: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:46 pm
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Ok, I measured the clearance at the 8th fret with capo on #1 and it is 0.01 per spec. However, the strings, especially the G string, still rattles. I brought it too a luthier and he went throght the setup process and it still rattles. I raised the bridge for the troublesome ones. The bridge adjustment is almost halfway down into the the screw slot. And it still rattles.

Any ideas?


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:13 pm
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Adjust the neck tilt?

If the neck's angled wrong then the strings will still rattle against the higher frets. Slacken off the neck bolts, give it a quarter turn, tightten back up and see where it takes you.

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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:54 pm
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andrew998 wrote:
Ok, I measured the clearance at the 8th fret with capo on #1 and it is 0.01 per spec. However, the strings, especially the G string, still rattles. I brought it too a luthier and he went throght the setup process and it still rattles. I raised the bridge for the troublesome ones. The bridge adjustment is almost halfway down into the the screw slot. And it still rattles.

Any ideas?


1.....get a new guitar tech. If he cant set up a strat then he is worthless.
2.....you will prob have some "buzz'' here and there but if it is too much then a neck tweak may be necessary as was stated in the post above. Small tweaks of the neck screw makes big differences.


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:10 pm
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So easy to do a perfect set up on Fender guitar , your luthier is not a luthier or he is unqualified . Find a qualified one.


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:25 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
Adjust the neck tilt?

If the neck's angled wrong then the strings will still rattle against the higher frets. Slacken off the neck bolts, give it a quarter turn, tightten back up and see where it takes you.


Thanks, I will try it. I thought there might be a shim under the neck mounting that would cause this. That might make the neck too high at the stem. I nerd more investigation. The rest of you are probably right about the luthier.

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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:35 pm
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No need to adjust Micro tilt if you have enough range on saddles height .

Micro tilt is usefull only if saddle screw are at their maximun or minimum and you can't have proper action .

Better to follow the right order to set up your guitar . You musr follow the step by step and knowing what you do


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:44 pm
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Shims are always a bit hit and miss. I shimmed a Strat neck then years later it started buzzing, I removed the shim and it all set up perfectly. As a general rule I now try to avoid neck shims if at all possible.

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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:55 pm
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Confirms my theory. Thanks.


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:15 am
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GilgaFrank wrote:
Shims are always a bit hit and miss. I shimmed a Strat neck then years later it started buzzing, I removed the shim and it all set up perfectly. As a general rule I now try to avoid neck shims if at all possible.



Don't need shim if you can adjust saddles height . Same as Micro Tilt adjust.


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:21 am
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andrew998 wrote:
Ok, I measured the clearance at the 8th fret with capo on #1 and it is 0.01 per spec. However, the strings, especially the G string, still rattles. I brought it too a luthier and he went throght the setup process and it still rattles. I raised the bridge for the troublesome ones. The bridge adjustment is almost halfway down into the the screw slot. And it still rattles.

Any ideas?

Hi Andrew. We need to identify exactly where the rattle is coming from. So...

Just the G string? Does it only rattle when played open or fretted as well? If the latter, start by fretting at the first fret, play with your normal picking style and see if it rattles. Then move on to the second fret, third fret, etc, till you find the point above which it no longer rattles. Then take a steel rule, lay it edge on onto the frets and study that area of the fingerboard to discover if you have a high fret somewhere.

Alternatively, a little more neck relief (i.e. loosening the trussrod an eighth or quarter turn anti-clockwise) may be a better way of reducing fret buzz around the middle part of neck's length than raising the offending string's saddle till it is inconveniently high. Either way, if you are having to raise saddles to reduce buzz then shimming the neck or messing with the microtilt will not help and probably will make things worse. If you have a microtilt, leave well alone!

These things may or may not help, but at least some suggestions to try.

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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:01 pm
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Hi

Thanks for taking the time to answer. Its mainly the G string and the buzz is most noticeable as fret 12 and 15. Checking with a 6" steel ruler and holding to the light I can see that 12 and 15 are indeed a little higher. Can these be sanded down with fine grit paper? They also sell 15" radius necks on ebay I could also try. Either that or just trade it in might be easier. The store will know how to fix it and whoever buys it will be very happy thereafter. I have taken a liking to the Gretch Pro Jet and I might go for that.


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:13 am
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Andrew98 ,

You are better to see a qualified luthier , your guitar may need a fret dress , not expensive .

Better than buying a neck you don't know or you can't try before.

Don't work on a fret if you don't know what you are doing , 6 inches ruler may not be accurate to see.


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:59 am
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Before you do anything radical and/or expensive, try loosening the truss rod a quarter of a turn.


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:21 am
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jmattis wrote:
Before you do anything radical and/or expensive, try loosening the truss rod a quarter of a turn.



I would say find where the problem come from before desajust everything .

If neck curve is right why working with truss rod ? If neck is wrong , adjust truss rod .


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Post subject: Re: Problem with setup Strat
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:33 am
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Just going back to the original post, how exactly did you measure the neck relief? Capo at the first fret, hold down at the last fret and a .0012 inch feeler gauge should just slip under the 7th fret. If it's tight then slacken the truss rod an eighth of a turn to allow more curvature. When that's right then set the string heights at the bridge saddles.

Apologies if I'm stating the obvious here, I'm just puzzled as to why a well setup Strat still rattles.

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