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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:57 pm
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Good stuff there Lightnin MN.

I find it amazing, in this day and age, with so much info available at our fingertips, that people still believe they are getting a "free lunch". :lol:

"Hype" and "Snake Oil" are just a couple of terms that some people use when they are too anxious to justify an arbitrary position, and are unwilling to accept that they have some things to learn. :wink:

You can lead a horse to knowledge, but you can't make him think. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:06 pm
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The article is talking about acoustic guitars. Certainly the type of wood, the size of the hole, and just about everything else affects the tone. Not in solid bodies however, regardless of resonance, the wood hardly vibrates and has no effect. I will challenge anybody on that. But the guitar companies would like you to believe all the hype and mystique about it


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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:40 pm
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I am trying real hard to not participate in this! We have had some long threads in years gone by were people were even were doing experiments and sharing their results. Seems like everyone to a certain degree has their mind made up regarding this subject. After our last long tone wood discussion I shot an email off the Myth Busters and suggested this could make a great TV program. The could talk about something that is an American icon -- rock'n roll and guitars, then incorporate that with maybe some professional musician who could help with the tests, sprinkled with a little history of how guitars are made. Then they could've done some testing to see, by recording various guitars and woods using test equipment to see if there is anything to the "tonewood" theory! I guess they didn't like my idea because they never got back with me and they've never made a program like that! but I frankly think it would've made a great program.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:09 pm
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I know I am going go against some closely guarded ideas but I claim the wood on a solid body guitar does not affect the sound quality. Only the electronics does. The wood hardly vibrates so it should have no effect on it.......


Then there is a different opinion to consider..http://www.frudua.com/guitar_craftpedia_en.html

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:33 pm
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andrew998 wrote:
The article is talking about acoustic guitars. Certainly the type of wood, the size of the hole, and just about everything else affects the tone. Not in solid bodies however, regardless of resonance, the wood hardly vibrates and has no effect. I will challenge anybody on that. But the guitar companies would like you to believe all the hype and mystique about it


Clearly, you never read past the first sentence of the first paragraph ! :roll:

If you had, you would have found that the article states:

For years acoustic guitar makers and violin makers have given very little, or almost no importance, to the role wood plays in electric guitar tone. Only very recently have some of the main electric guitar makers and luthiers discovered that the wood a guitar is made from, and especially the neck's one, plays a crucial role in the electric instrument's tone.

That aside, the points raised are true for any stringed instrument, accoustic or electric in greater/lesser degrees.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:45 pm
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I have already made up my mind that it indeed does play a role in tone but if I was new to this I would go ahead and disagree with the person who "just got into guitars" and can't spell Squier or Stratocaster correctly.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:58 pm
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The article is talking about acoustic guitars. Certainly the type of wood, the size of the hole, and just about everything else affects the tone. Not in solid bodies however, regardless of resonance, the wood hardly vibrates and has no effect. I will challenge anybody on that. But the guitar companies would like you to believe all the hype and mystique about it

It's interesting that you don't know the difference between a Squir and Strat, but you're absolutely certain you know everything about tone and wood!
I used to not believe in all the tone wood hype. But, the more guitars I own and play, the more I'm starting to believe. I played two solid body guitars yesterday with identical pups. They each had different body, neck and fb woods and they couldn't have sounded any more different. I was very disappointed by the first and blown away by the second. I made no changes to the amp settings. Something caused a noticable change in tone. The only other variable was the first had regular fret wire and the second had stainless steel wire. I've found that ss is a little chimey on the top end. But the difference was more than just what I've found the ss adds. It was spooky. Are you a believer yet? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:53 pm
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^ My thoughts exactly. Squier is a company and a stratocaster is a model of guitar. :roll:
Really showing your massive knowledge on guitars here.

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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:31 pm
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Look guys, in order for the wood to make any difference in the tone, it has to vibrate with the sound. If it don't vibrate, it has no effect. The differecne between the 2 solid body guitars in the above statement is in the electronics. Each set of electronics has a different frequency "roll-off" and that affects the sound more than any other thing. You might say, why don't we make 'em out of pine and be done with it all. The advantage of the harder woods is that they have longevity. They hold screws in tight and stay together with less chance to warp. All good things.

I am not saying that a 50s Strat doesn't have a different tone than 2012 but again its in the electronics. There were more likely changes to the circuitry, the range of tone pots is probably greater now, and who knows about the pup windings, nevermind about the aging of components, etc.

Sorry about the mispelled Squire but the e did not come out of my keyboard.


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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:41 pm
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The differecne between the 2 solid body guitars in the above statement is in the electronics. Each set of electronics has a different frequency "roll-off" and that affects the sound more than any other thing.


In my example, they were both brand new guitars hanging on the wall at the Carvin store. Carvin offers a wide range of wood options. Both guitars had the same pups, and I assume the same pots and caps, since Carvin doesn't offer any options on those. I was very surprised myself at the difference between them. I'm already working on a build sheet to try to copy the second guitar with a different finish. Damn, I hope that doesn't change the tone! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:38 pm
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andrew998 wrote:
Look guys, in order for the wood to make any difference in the tone, it has to vibrate with the sound.


Yeah, and it does. At least most of mine do.


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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:32 am
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I shot an email off the Myth Busters and suggested this could make a great TV program. I guess they didn't like my idea because they never got back with me and they've never made a program like that! but I frankly think it would've made a great program.

I think you've discovered that the average none guitarist really couldn't care less.


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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:30 am
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The differecne between the 2 solid body guitars in the above statement is in the electronics. Each set of electronics has a different frequency "roll-off" and that affects the sound more than any other thing.


In my example, they were both brand new guitars hanging on the wall at the Carvin store. Carvin offers a wide range of wood options. Both guitars had the same pups, and I assume the same pots and caps, since Carvin doesn't offer any options on those. I was very surprised myself at the difference between them. I'm already working on a build sheet to try to copy the second guitar with a different finish. Damn, I hope that doesn't change the tone! :lol:


I had another thought concerning my experience and in order to be objective and fair, I realize that I have no idea how long either guitar has been up on the wall. The strings on the first one could have been near death. They stayed in tune okay, but I had to ask the salesman to clean the neck of that guitar because it was pretty grubby. So, dead strings could have been a big part in the tonal difference. I just don't know! :roll:

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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:54 am
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Look guys, in order for the wood to make any difference in the tone, it has to vibrate with the sound. If it don't vibrate, it has no effect. The differecne between the 2 solid body guitars in the above statement is in the electronics. Each set of electronics has a different frequency "roll-off" and that affects the sound more than any other thing. You might say, why don't we make 'em out of pine and be done with it all. The advantage of the harder woods is that they have longevity. They hold screws in tight and stay together with less chance to warp. All good things.

I am not saying that a 50s Strat doesn't have a different tone than 2012 but again its in the electronics. There were more likely changes to the circuitry, the range of tone pots is probably greater now, and who knows about the pup windings, nevermind about the aging of components, etc.

Sorry about the mispelled Squire but the e did not come out of my keyboard.


Instinctively, I want to say that you are 100% right, but to some extent, I do believe that the wood makes an impact on the tone - although not anywhere near the effect it would have on an acoustic instrument. Also, I feel that those differences are mitigated by real-world playing conditions. At the end of the day, I don't worry too much about it. My motto is: if you like the guitar, buy it!


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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:35 pm
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Drubbing wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
I shot an email off the Myth Busters and suggested this could make a great TV program. I guess they didn't like my idea because they never got back with me and they've never made a program like that! but I frankly think it would've made a great program.

I think you've discovered that the average none guitarist really couldn't care less.



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