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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:29 pm
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If the guitar says "Squire" on it, then it isn't even a real Squier guitar.


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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:46 pm
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The wood hardly vibrates anymore due to thick poly finishes, but Fender is getting better about thinning them. Play a guitar with a true nitro finish and you can feel the body shimmering as you play. It's not the type of finish that does this, it's just how much is applied and one pass of nitro is naturally thinner than one pass of poly.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:47 pm
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andrew998 wrote:
I know I am going go against some closely guarded ideas but I claim the wood on a solid body guitar does not affect the sound quality. Only the electronics does. The wood hardly vibrates so it should have no effect on it. If a Squire can be bought for $100, just modify to your liking with humbuckers and electronics. You can't even buy a Fender neck for $100.

Ah, but then there is this label thing that says "Squire" and most other guitarists will think "Are you kidding?"

But they might be the ones getting fooled while you laugh all the way to bank.


Soo... $100 for pickups. $18 for new CTS pots. $12 for a new 5 way. $25 if you want a nice pickguard. $35 for tuners. $100 for a bridge. (Assuming you can fit a good one in there.) $100 for the Squier. Throw in the cost of getting that put into your guitar. Say $100. $490. Or you could just buy one of the nicer squiers. Or a modern player. Or a MIM strat. Not really saving any $$.


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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:49 pm
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If you are buying new tuners for $35 you either have an amazing deal or they are crappy tuners...

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:56 pm
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wferguson wrote:
If you are buying new tuners for $35 you either have an amazing deal or they are crappy tuners...


Fender tuners. Not saying they aren't crappy just that that is what came up on amazon. I like the $45 fender locking tuners well enough. Add $10 and make it an even $500.

The basic point being it is tough to upgrade a guitar for cheap especially if the guitar your upgrading isn't that great to begin with. (I'd want to know more about the lifespan of squier frets before I spent that kind of money.)


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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:57 pm
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Many (if not most) of the MIM guitar parts (necks, etc.) are actually made in the Corona plant in California, then sent to Mexico for paint and assembly. In fact the "MIM" necks are made on the very same machine that makes the US necks. Todd Krause pointed this out when he toured some friends around the factory in 2005.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:01 pm
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You have it lucky, I needed some new vintage style reverse wound bass tuners and the cheapest I could possibly find were $65 :cry: Real Fenders are anywhere from $80-$100.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:06 pm
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Interesting discussion. A few post backs I mentioned that I was visiting with Lynn Ellsworth last week who use to own Boogie Body Guitars. He is buying use Squiers and then using the parts (ie neck, tuners, pickups with new pots and bridge) to build these custom Strats and Teles. He is using 1000+ year old redwood that came from an old dock. His claim is the wood is super resonate and with these Squier pups the guitars really sing. He has orders for 12 more and has enough wood for only about 35 to 40 guitars. Here are a few of his examples. Note, these are Squier necks. I plan on trying one out this week and will keep ya posted! He claims there is no guitar that sounds like these..... I will see.... 8)

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
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Nice Mr X 8)

Maybe just the photos, but looks like a very
wide, flat fretboard? Looking forward to hearing your opinions.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:23 pm
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Xhefri wrote:
Interesting discussion. A few post backs I mentioned that I was visiting with Lynn Ellsworth last week who use to own Boogie Body Guitars. He is buying use Squiers and then using the parts (ie neck, tuners, pickups with new pots and bridge) to build these custom Strats and Teles. He is using 1000+ year old redwood that came from an old dock. His claim is the wood is super resonate and with these Squier pups the guitars really sing. He has orders for 12 more and has enough wood for only about 35 to 40 guitars. Here are a few of his examples. Note, these are Squier necks. I plan on trying one out this week and will keep ya posted! He claims there is no guitar that sounds like these..... I will see.... 8)
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I would be interested in knowing what he is using as wood sealer?

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:26 pm
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cvilleira wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
Interesting discussion. A few post backs I mentioned that I was visiting with Lynn Ellsworth last week who use to own Boogie Body Guitars. He is buying use Squiers and then using the parts (ie neck, tuners, pickups with new pots and bridge) to build these custom Strats and Teles. He is using 1000+ year old redwood that came from an old dock. His claim is the wood is super resonate and with these Squier pups the guitars really sing. He has orders for 12 more and has enough wood for only about 35 to 40 guitars. Here are a few of his examples. Note, these are Squier necks. I plan on trying one out this week and will keep ya posted! He claims there is no guitar that sounds like these..... I will see.... 8)
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I would be interested in knowing what he is using as wood sealer?



As I said, the wood does not affect the tone quality. Its all hype. But it might very well affect how well it stays together. I would be leary of redwood if its not properly cured, it won't hold screws.


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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:45 pm
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andrew998 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
Interesting discussion. A few post backs I mentioned that I was visiting with Lynn Ellsworth last week who use to own Boogie Body Guitars. He is buying use Squiers and then using the parts (ie neck, tuners, pickups with new pots and bridge) to build these custom Strats and Teles. He is using 1000+ year old redwood that came from an old dock. His claim is the wood is super resonate and with these Squier pups the guitars really sing. He has orders for 12 more and has enough wood for only about 35 to 40 guitars. Here are a few of his examples. Note, these are Squier necks. I plan on trying one out this week and will keep ya posted! He claims there is no guitar that sounds like these..... I will see.... 8)
]

I would be interested in knowing what he is using as wood sealer?



As I said, the wood does not affect the tone quality. Its all hype. But it might very well affect how well it stays together. I would be leary of redwood if its not properly cured, it won't hold screws.


Why is it hype?


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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:09 pm
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Many (if not most) of the MIM guitar parts (necks, etc.) are actually made in the Corona plant in California, then sent to Mexico for paint and assembly. In fact the "MIM" necks are made on the very same machine that makes the US necks. Todd Krause pointed this out when he toured some friends around the factory in 2005.


That was true in 2005, but by 2006 they had neck production running in Mexico.
You've seen that 2006 tour slide show, haven't you?

I'll have to see if there are more recent tour pics up on the web. Here's one from last year.

http://www.guitarworld.com/fender-mexico-turns-25-factory-photo-tour

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:49 am
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Looks like the door's been open again to our umpteenth tonewood debate. Custom Shop website videos with Eldred argue against the doubtful.

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Post subject: Re: What are the main differences between Squir and Strat
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:39 am
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andrew998 wrote:
I know I am going go against some closely guarded ideas but I claim the wood on a solid body guitar does not affect the sound quality. Only the electronics does. The wood hardly vibrates so it should have no effect on it. If a Squire can be bought for $100, just modify to your liking with humbuckers and electronics. You can't even buy a Fender neck for $100.

Ah, but then there is this label thing that says "Squire" and most other guitarists will think "Are you kidding?"

But they might be the ones getting fooled while you laugh all the way to bank.


Each different type of wood, and every individual piece of wood, has measurable differences in resonance. There is no doubt about it.

Whether these differences actually trump the pups, amps or the player's hands is the essence of the Tonewood debate, which I'll leave to others.

But what will make a difference is the ability of one wood (or piece of wood) to absorb greater/lesser amounts of energy from the strings.

In general, denser woods absorb less string energy than softer ones and this can influence tone, specifically the sustain of an instrument.

Here are a few interesting articles on the subject:

Wood influence on Tone

Sustain

Wood Tone diagram

These may clear up some common misconceptions.

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