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Post subject: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:22 pm
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This is the first time I have had to change a string since acquiring my Strat, which has vintage tuning keys. What a disaster......... The bottom E (9 thou) broke, and I have tried three separate strings so far without getting to hold: they have all popped out of the peg just before the thing was tuned up to pitch. I thought the problem was not having the string cut long enough, but I have just tried one cut 2 inches past the peg, with the same result. I am cutting the string past the peg, putting the string end in the hole, crimping it at a right angle, holding the string in the hole and slot while turning the peg, with pressure applied. It seems to hold until it gets somewhere near pitch, and then SPRONNNNG!!!! - it pops out.

If anyone can suggest what I might be doing wrong, please suggest away. Thank you.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:43 pm
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Do a search on youtube. Lots of excellent videos showing how to change strings with the vintage tuners.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:28 pm
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Put string in hole make kink. Wrap string halfway around post bring straight through slot, wind her up.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:06 pm
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I've always strung with them this way: trim the string about 2 tuners beyond (i.e. for the low E trim it off at the D tuner, etc.). Stick the end of the string in the hole, bend it part way around the post, hold it down with your right hand and wind the tuner with your left hand. With .009s I usually go 3 tuner lengths on the B and high E to have a few extra winds. The key is holding the string down to get tight winds.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:19 pm
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John C wrote:
I've always strung with them this way: trim the string about 2 tuners beyond (i.e. for the low E trim it off at the D tuner, etc.). Stick the end of the string in the hole, bend it part way around the post, hold it down with your right hand and wind the tuner with your left hand. With .009s I usually go 3 tuner lengths on the B and high E to have a few extra winds. The key is holding the string down to get tight winds.


+1 John C you nailed it perfectly, this is Exactly how you do it! This is how I was taught to do it over 40 years ago!

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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:21 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
John C wrote:
I've always strung with them this way: trim the string about 2 tuners beyond (i.e. for the low E trim it off at the D tuner, etc.). Stick the end of the string in the hole, bend it part way around the post, hold it down with your right hand and wind the tuner with your left hand. With .009s I usually go 3 tuner lengths on the B and high E to have a few extra winds. The key is holding the string down to get tight winds.


+1 John C you nailed it perfectly, this is Exactly how you do it! This is how I was taught to do it over 40 years ago!

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+2 Been doing it that way as long as I can remember.

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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:04 pm
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When holding the string down I am also at the same time pulling it away from the tuning peg to keep it tight/tensioned, whilst winding with the other hand.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:48 pm
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I really feel the vintage split shaft tuners are the best Fender has ever offered. No sharp string ends, quick string changes, no fuss.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:37 am
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Two inches past the post isn't really long enough IMO. The thinner strings like more winds to prevent slipping and constantly going out of tune.
An alternative way to stop the string end from slipping out of the hole in the post is to use a toothpick to hold it in until it is tuned up!


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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:28 am
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I use a pair of pliers to 'set' the bend. I find that more than a 90 degree bend is required. Although obviously you don't want to get carried away and damage the string. The wound ones are much easier because the winding 'catches' the edge.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:56 am
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Felonius wrote:
If anyone can suggest what I might be doing wrong, please suggest away. Thank you.

Hi Felonius: I agree with everything everyone's written.

Still, if that's what you're doing and somehow the high e is popping out then there's two further possibilities to try. Leaving the string longer and putting more winds on it, like Butterscotch says, is one. Sounds mad, but BB King says he always winds the entire string onto the tuner post without trimming it at all. He also claims he does it himself, rather than inflicting that tiresome duty on a tech. Excessive for sure, but BB can string-bend with the best of 'em and always gets accurate return-to-pitch and no slippage.

Or. Something I've seen some players do is to insert the string in the hole, pull it out sideways putting a kink in it as it exits the hole. Then pull it round the end of the slot and take it sideways around the capstan, putting another kink on it. Then take it half the way around the capstan - and back through the slot. This puts two more kinks into it, as it enters and leaves the slot this second time. That's four kinks in total: no way that string is going to slip!

Descriptions can be confusing, so look, I've done you a little sketch to make it clear:

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Most of us would feel this is total overkill: I certainly don't bother with the extra trip through the slot. But I recently saw a video of Billy Kirchen talking about his guitar and he says he strings up this way. So if it's good enough for his country bends it'll work for you.

Any help?

Cheers - C

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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:41 am
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Ceri wrote:
Felonius wrote:
If anyone can suggest what I might be doing wrong, please suggest away. Thank you.

Hi Felonius: I agree with everything everyone's written.

Still, if that's what you're doing and somehow the high e is popping out then there's two further possibilities to try. Leaving the string longer and putting more winds on it, like Butterscotch says, is one. Sounds mad, but BB King says he always winds the entire string onto the tuner post without trimming it at all. He also claims he does it himself, rather than inflicting that tiresome duty on a tech. Excessive for sure, but BB can string-bend with the best of 'em and always gets accurate return-to-pitch and no slippage.

Or. Something I've seen some players do is to insert the string in the hole, pull it out sideways putting a kink in it as it exits the hole. Then pull it round the end of the slot and take it sideways around the capstan, putting another kink on it. Then take it half the way around the capstan - and back through the slot. This puts two more kinks into it, as it enters and leaves the slot this second time. That's four kinks in total: no way that string is going to slip!

Descriptions can be confusing, so look, I've done you a little sketch to make it clear:

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Most of us would feel this is total overkill: I certainly don't bother with the extra trip through the slot. But I recently saw a video of Billy Kirchen talking about his guitar and he says he strings up this way. So if it's good enough for his country bends it'll work for you.

Any help?

Cheers - C

I do it this way as well. Never had a problem, and I only do it with the high E string.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage: the tuning pegs from Heck.
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:44 am
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What I like most about the vintage tuners on my Clapton, is how much they make me appreciate the locking tuners on my Am Dlx. :wink:

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Toronado wrote:
I really feel the vintage split shaft tuners are the best Fender has ever offered. No sharp string ends, quick string changes, no fuss.


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Ceri wrote:

Descriptions can be confusing, so look, I've done you a little sketch to make it clear:

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Cheers - C


Ceri; I just barely caught you saying "I've done you a little sketch". If you did little sketches like that in charcoal, you could probably make a good living selling them. Nice work!

I thought it was funny that one of the video's on YouTube showing how to string a vintage tuner has the guy spending half the time on the high E because it pops out on him at least 4 times. I don't know why he even bothered posting the video except that it helps make some of us feel not quite so incapable.

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