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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:28 pm
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I do like your way of thinking orvilleowner, thanks. I was thinking just 2 dividing blocks between the 3 single pups. It a fist year American Deluxe, I really don't want to mess with it to much. I do want to keep this simple and don't expect "life altering" changes for the guitar. Articles and opinions I see on the net show that knowledgeable people figure this may or may not make a difference at all.

Hi riptooth: I completely get the spirit of your project. The only thing that would give me pause for thought is the idea of messing with an original Am Deluxe, which is a pretty nice guitar without modification.

However, I've done something slightly similar, albeit starting with a slightly less upmarket guitar. I had a small restoration job to do on a - ahem - slightly damaged Mexican Strat body. It involved routing out a swimming pool style hole where the pickup cavities used to be, then filling it with a block and re-routing new single-coil sized cavities and neck pocket.

The body was, I believe, North American poplar. I didn't have any of that, but I had plenty of ash available, and since that is another kosher Fender body timber that's what I used for the infill. We did a thread about it here on the Forum; just for fun, the relevant section starts here:

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I hope you understand the intention of that whole thread was humorous. You can view the finished instrument on page 91.

Anyway. In short, my suggestion would be to use a recognised Fender tonewood. Alder may well be what your body is made from so might be the best bet. Or perhaps ash. Or, were they using poplar on Deluxe bodies at that time? Probably not, but I don't know for sure.

Good luck - C

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:02 pm
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is it an alder body? I'd be curious to see how the maple works out. its like music man doing tonwood block on their JP series guitars.



I had a Mexican Floyd rose Strat once when the Musicians Friend Clearance center was open.
I got it and a case for like $100 new scratch and dent.
They had Dimarzios there too people had installed and returned cheap.
So I grabbed some virtual vintage and a Super Distortion I think.
Anyway the weight seemed not enough and the universal route was there.
So I cut a 1/8 brass plate to fit in the universal route and used pickguard screws to fasten it in.
I got the idea from the back of a Guitar World magazine.
A company was selling sustain plates they called them.
It was an 1/8 brass plate that bolted onto your headstock in that shape.
It was setup to bolt right on and they did custom orders.
They went on how brass was the musical metal and this would add sustain and tone to your guitar.
So I thought well why wouldn't it work in that universal route?
It added weight and tone and sustain out of this world!
Also another time I took a universal route and used that fender chrome plated brass pickguard.
Even better effect and no need to shield.

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:36 pm
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I cannot for the life of me figure out why you would want to do this.


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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:41 pm
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tbazzone wrote:
I cannot for the life of me figure out why you would want to do this.



You know there was a time I didn't understand the universal route but now I do.
I got that strat after owning a 76 that didn't even have a humbucker route.
But once you have embraced an American 89 standard and played it a while...
You come to realize that the universal route has its place in the order of things.

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:57 pm
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tbazzone wrote:
I cannot for the life of me figure out why you would want to do this.


I'm in the same boat. In my opinion, the type of wood used won't affect the tone too much.. Pine to Birdseye maple, you won't hear much difference.. :)

Personally I'd just leave it.. The only change would be the rout. Unlikely to change the tone. However, it's OP choice and his guitar- it's good to experiment. :)

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:47 pm
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In the old days, we would think about using brass to fill the pool; increase the mass!

Lead would be the best.

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:58 pm
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orvilleowner wrote:
In the old days, we would think about using brass to fill the pool; increase the mass!

Lead would be the best.



That's what I was talking about when I said

"So I cut a 1/8 brass plate to fit in the universal route and used pickguard screws to fasten it in."

That's how I did it too.

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:04 pm
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I am talking about an inch thick slab of brass.
I remember a repair job (shown on this site?) where the guitar had a slab installed by the trem (where SRV had his "custom" sticker). The repairer put some ash in and refinished it to where you'd never have known how it was.

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:13 pm
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orvilleowner wrote:
I am talking about an inch thick slab of brass.
I remember a repair job (shown on this site?) where the guitar had a slab installed by the trem (where SRV had his "custom" sticker). The repairer put some ash in and refinished it to where you'd never have known how it was.



Oh right on that would be heavy and wouldn't you have to mill pickup holes in it?

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:15 pm
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Oh right on that would be heavy and wouldn't you have to mill pickup holes in it?


Nothin' but a coupla minutes with a vertical milling machine.

Know any good machinists?

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:31 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
Oh right on that would be heavy and wouldn't you have to mill pickup holes in it?


Nothin' but a coupla minutes with a vertical milling machine.

Know any good machinists?

:wink:

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I know a couple lol

Hey did you see they just put 70s American Special Necks in the store?

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:20 pm
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I can't deal with that gigantic headstock......if it were an LZ you could land two shithooks on it!

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:37 am
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I can't deal with that gigantic headstock......if it were an LZ you could land two shithooks on it!

:lol:

Arjay


Im a big 70s head, my first Strat was a 76.
Hendrix Blackmore and Trower are some of my major Strat idols.
My American Deluxe has an original sized headstock though.

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:03 am
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However, I've done something slightly similar, albeit starting with a slightly less upmarket guitar. the relevant section starts here.....


We certainly appreciated that project, mate. This will either give him pause, or incentive. Will be interesting to follow his step by step if he moves forward with it. Hope he allows us to follow it in pics.

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Post subject: Re: Filling the pool!
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:51 pm
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I couldn't bring myself to do it guys. I can't chance it causing an alteration I won't be able to restore. It is a beautiful guitar that deserves to stay intact. I better go back to working on building a guitar with the Tennessee Black Walnut board I bought recently. It is highly figured from a old growth tree that was cut down in the 50's. I know it won't be fender, but I will post some pics for you guys in the future if you want. Thanks for all the replies!

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