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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:49 pm
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I submitted it to Fender customer service. We'll see what gives. Its a good point, why would anyone fake a cheap guitar. There are many people on the internet having the same problem as me where the serial doesn't make sense. Guess I'll have to wait.

Thanks for your help.

Oh, I reduced the picture size :)

Guess I'll have to sell my Les Paul Lite instead, don't want anybody calling me a phony.

This review says 2004 have birdseye maple.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/ ... atocaster/

Serial starts with 04.


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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:57 pm
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I submitted it to Fender customer service. We'll see what gives. Its a good point, why would anyone fake a cheap guitar. There are many people on the internet having the same problem as me where the serial doesn't make sense. Guess I'll have to wait.

Thanks for your help.

Oh, I reduced the picture size :)

Guess I'll have to sell my Les Paul Lite instead, don't want anybody calling me a phony.

This review says 2004 have birdseye maple.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/ ... atocaster/

Serial starts with 04.


What!?! Don't sell! Don't Ever Sell!

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:03 pm
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Gibson got that part right. They don't let anything but an American Made Gibson be called a Gibson.


Yes sir, Gibson kept that under control; only using the Gibson brand on their US Product and using other brands (Epiphone and the short-lived Orville) for their budget line Asian product.

Fender started out like that, using Squier for the low end market, but then lost it. I guess the fact that they didn't have a factory back in 1985 after CBS sold the company played a role in opening the Pandora's Box, because they wanted Fender product on the market and could only use MIJ instruments.

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:55 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
Gibson got that part right. They don't let anything but an American Made Gibson be called a Gibson.


Yes sir, Gibson kept that under control; only using the Gibson brand on their US Product and using other brands (Epiphone and the short-lived Orville) for their budget line Asian product.

Fender started out like that, using Squier for the low end market, but then lost it. I guess the fact that they didn't have a factory back in 1985 after CBS sold the company played a role in opening the Pandora's Box, because they wanted Fender product on the market and could only use MIJ instruments.



Probably so I mean that is a good case in point.
I don't know
I just really resent they went after it legally in the late 70s only to do it themselves
But that's just me.
My opinion should mean nothing to anyone but me really lol.
Don't know why I bother share it.
On a side note I went to the guitar center tonight
Looked at American standards.
Nice stuff there those 3 tone sunburst rosewood SSS Standards.
Be nice to have one with Fat 50s for my Fat 50th birthday :)

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:10 am
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040 is the designator for Korean Fenders.

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:54 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
That's the sad thing, there have been Korean Japanese and Mexican Fender Stratocasters.
Its disgusting.
Those should all be Squires


:roll:

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I suppose you think Im wrong?
Well I tell you what any of those authorized copies they were holding for me...
Tell them I said you can have them lol :lol:



Well... I don't think you're wrong... :? I KNOW you're wrong !! :P

It ALL comes down to the individual instrument.

Eventually, EVERY Rockpile will produce a Gem !

Country of Origin means NOTHING so far as the quality of an individual instrument is concerned.

Corona and Fullerton, have both produced their fair share of Dogs through the years, I know... I've met many of them in guitar stores. Guitars I wouldn't buy with a 90% discount.

Conversely, I have played some excellent examples from Mexico, Korea, Japan and Indonesia, my '99 'Nashville' Telecaster Deluxe (MIM) and FSR Custom HH Telecaster (Indonesia) for instance - haven't played anything from China.

Country of Origin is only important with respect to consistency.

USA made Fenders are more likely to be top quality, followed by (it's generally believed) Mexico, then Japan, then Korea, Indonesia and finally China.

It's less of a Crap Shoot to focus on MIA Fenders to be sure... at a price of course. And people only have so much time to devote to narrowing down a choice... I get that.

My FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, FSR Telebration Empress Telecaster, Heritage H-535 and Martin DC-1E are all American Made and all exceptional instruments. But so too are my Mex and Indonesian Teles, not soley my opinion, but one shared by experienced pro guitar players, teachers and sellers who have all seen/played them.

From the Millions of instruments Fender has produced in nearly 75 years, somewhere out there is one, and only one, guitar which is superior to all others, in quality of materials, quality of workmanship, playability and tone - the Best Fender guitar EVER made.

In all likelyhood, it's from the Custom Shop or at least American Made. But, there's no GUARANTEE that it is. For all we know, the best Fender Guitar ever produced may be some Mex, Japanese, Korean or Indonesian Fender.

It may be some professional's Pride & Joy... or it could just as well be gathering dust in some casual player's closet. :shock:

Certainly, my preference leans toward American Made, because of their consistency, but I would never reject an amazing guitar out of hand simply because of what country it did... or didn't wear on it's headstock !

If you do... GREAT ! That leaves more terrifice 'finds' out there for the rest of us !

Headstock labels are for Guitar Snobs !

cheers!

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:38 am
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Well... I don't think you're wrong... :? I KNOW you're wrong !! :P

It ALL comes down to the individual instrument.

Eventually, EVERY Rockpile will produce a Gem !

Country of Origin means NOTHING so far as the quality of an individual instrument is concerned.

Corona and Fullerton, have both produced their fair share of Dogs through the years, I know... I've met many of them in guitar stores. Guitars I wouldn't buy with a 90% discount.

Conversely, I have played some excellent examples from Mexico, Korea, Japan and Indonesia, my '99 'Nashville' Telecaster Deluxe (MIM) and FSR Custom HH Telecaster (Indonesia) for instance - haven't played anything from China.

Country of Origin is only important with respect to consistency.

USA made Fenders are more likely to be top quality, followed by (it's generally believed) Mexico, then Japan, then Korea, Indonesia and finally China.

It's less of a Crap Shoot to focus on MIA Fenders to be sure... at a price of course. And people only have so much time to devote to narrowing down a choice... I get that.

My FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, FSR Telebration Empress Telecaster, Heritage H-535 and Martin DC-1E are all American Made and all exceptional instruments. But so too are my Mex and Indonesian Teles, not soley my opinion, but one shared by experienced pro guitar players, teachers and sellers who have all seen/played them.

From the Millions of instruments Fender has produced in nearly 75 years, somewhere out there is one, and only one, guitar which is superior to all others, in quality of materials, quality of workmanship, playability and tone - the Best Fender guitar EVER made.

In all likelyhood, it's from the Custom Shop or at least American Made. But, there's no GUARANTEE that it is. For all we know, the best Fender Guitar ever produced may be some Mex, Japanese, Korean or Indonesian Fender.

It may be some professional's Pride & Joy... or it could just as well be gathering dust in some casual player's closet. :shock:

Certainly, my preference leans toward American Made, because of their consistency, but I would never reject an amazing guitar out of hand simply because of what country it did... or didn't wear on it's headstock !

If you do... GREAT ! That leaves more terrifice 'finds' out there for the rest of us !

Headstock labels are for Guitar Snobs !

cheers!


I don't think its being a guitar snob at all to support and purchase the real thing not a copy.
I own REAL Les Pauls and REAL Stratocasters.
I don't let my money or my talent be wasted on cheap imitations.
I support the originals
I haven't seen any of the cheap imitation copies even come close to the quality or durability of an American Standard Stratocastor or Les Paul.
The American Standard is pretty hard to live up to I guess LOL :lol:
But you be PROUD of your cheap imitation guitars all you want :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:04 am
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donnycraven wrote:
m0nkey34 wrote:
I submitted it to Fender customer service. We'll see what gives. Its a good point, why would anyone fake a cheap guitar. There are many people on the internet having the same problem as me where the serial doesn't make sense. Guess I'll have to wait.

Thanks for your help.

Oh, I reduced the picture size :)

Guess I'll have to sell my Les Paul Lite instead, don't want anybody calling me a phony.

This review says 2004 have birdseye maple.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/ ... atocaster/

Serial starts with 04.


What!?! Don't sell! Don't Ever Sell!


Gotta do it brah! Need the money. I got that korean strat, les paul studiolite and a les paul studio. Already sold my jcm2000 dsl Marshall and an epiphone doubleneck sg ;(


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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:16 am
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m0nkey34 wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
m0nkey34 wrote:
I submitted it to Fender customer service. We'll see what gives. Its a good point, why would anyone fake a cheap guitar. There are many people on the internet having the same problem as me where the serial doesn't make sense. Guess I'll have to wait.

Thanks for your help.

Oh, I reduced the picture size :)

Guess I'll have to sell my Les Paul Lite instead, don't want anybody calling me a phony.

This review says 2004 have birdseye maple.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/ ... atocaster/

Serial starts with 04.


What!?! Don't sell! Don't Ever Sell!


Gotta do it brah! Need the money. I got that korean strat, les paul studiolite and a les paul studio. Already sold my jcm2000 dsl Marshall and an epiphone doubleneck sg ;(



Well at least you still have one Les Paul so if you got two and need cash makes sense, but sad :(
Im sorry brotha

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:23 am
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Well... I don't think you're wrong... :? I KNOW you're wrong !! :P

It ALL comes down to the individual instrument.

Eventually, EVERY Rockpile will produce a Gem !

Country of Origin means NOTHING so far as the quality of an individual instrument is concerned.

Corona and Fullerton, have both produced their fair share of Dogs through the years, I know... I've met many of them in guitar stores. Guitars I wouldn't buy with a 90% discount.

Conversely, I have played some excellent examples from Mexico, Korea, Japan and Indonesia, my '99 'Nashville' Telecaster Deluxe (MIM) and FSR Custom HH Telecaster (Indonesia) for instance - haven't played anything from China.

Country of Origin is only important with respect to consistency.

USA made Fenders are more likely to be top quality, followed by (it's generally believed) Mexico, then Japan, then Korea, Indonesia and finally China.

It's less of a Crap Shoot to focus on MIA Fenders to be sure... at a price of course. And people only have so much time to devote to narrowing down a choice... I get that.

My FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, FSR Telebration Empress Telecaster, Heritage H-535 and Martin DC-1E are all American Made and all exceptional instruments. But so too are my Mex and Indonesian Teles, not soley my opinion, but one shared by experienced pro guitar players, teachers and sellers who have all seen/played them.

From the Millions of instruments Fender has produced in nearly 75 years, somewhere out there is one, and only one, guitar which is superior to all others, in quality of materials, quality of workmanship, playability and tone - the Best Fender guitar EVER made.

In all likelyhood, it's from the Custom Shop or at least American Made. But, there's no GUARANTEE that it is. For all we know, the best Fender Guitar ever produced may be some Mex, Japanese, Korean or Indonesian Fender.

It may be some professional's Pride & Joy... or it could just as well be gathering dust in some casual player's closet. :shock:

Certainly, my preference leans toward American Made, because of their consistency, but I would never reject an amazing guitar out of hand simply because of what country it did... or didn't wear on it's headstock !

If you do... GREAT ! That leaves more terrifice 'finds' out there for the rest of us !

Headstock labels are for Guitar Snobs !

cheers!



As far as labels go I thought that's why they were stamping FENDER on those cheap import copies.
To fool guitar snobs, as long as they got a piece of imitation crap that says FENDER they are good to go.

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:01 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:




Well... I don't think you're wrong... :? I KNOW you're wrong !! :P

It ALL comes down to the individual instrument.

Eventually, EVERY Rockpile will produce a Gem !

Country of Origin means NOTHING so far as the quality of an individual instrument is concerned.

Corona and Fullerton, have both produced their fair share of Dogs through the years, I know... I've met many of them in guitar stores. Guitars I wouldn't buy with a 90% discount.

Conversely, I have played some excellent examples from Mexico, Korea, Japan and Indonesia, my '99 'Nashville' Telecaster Deluxe (MIM) and FSR Custom HH Telecaster (Indonesia) for instance - haven't played anything from China.

Country of Origin is only important with respect to consistency.

USA made Fenders are more likely to be top quality, followed by (it's generally believed) Mexico, then Japan, then Korea, Indonesia and finally China.

It's less of a Crap Shoot to focus on MIA Fenders to be sure... at a price of course. And people only have so much time to devote to narrowing down a choice... I get that.

My FSR Ltd. Ed. American Vintage '57 Stratocaster, FSR Telebration Empress Telecaster, Heritage H-535 and Martin DC-1E are all American Made and all exceptional instruments. But so too are my Mex and Indonesian Teles, not soley my opinion, but one shared by experienced pro guitar players, teachers and sellers who have all seen/played them.

From the Millions of instruments Fender has produced in nearly 75 years, somewhere out there is one, and only one, guitar which is superior to all others, in quality of materials, quality of workmanship, playability and tone - the Best Fender guitar EVER made.

In all likelyhood, it's from the Custom Shop or at least American Made. But, there's no GUARANTEE that it is. For all we know, the best Fender Guitar ever produced may be some Mex, Japanese, Korean or Indonesian Fender.

It may be some professional's Pride & Joy... or it could just as well be gathering dust in some casual player's closet. :shock:

Certainly, my preference leans toward American Made, because of their consistency, but I would never reject an amazing guitar out of hand simply because of what country it did... or didn't wear on it's headstock !

If you do... GREAT ! That leaves more terrifice 'finds' out there for the rest of us !

Headstock labels are for Guitar Snobs !

cheers!


I don't think its being a guitar snob at all to support and purchase the real thing not a copy.
I own REAL Les Pauls and REAL Stratocasters.
I don't let my money or my talent be wasted on cheap imitations.
I support the originals
I haven't seen any of the cheap imitation copies even come close to the quality or durability of an American Standard Stratocastor or Les Paul.
The American Standard is pretty hard to live up to I guess LOL :lol:
But you be PROUD of your cheap imitation guitars all you want :roll:



I own REAL Stratocaster, Telecasters as well... some from America, some from ROW.

It's no surprise to me that you haven't seen any of the cheap imitation copies even come close to the quality or durability of an American Standard Stratocastor or Les Paul. because you obviously are unwilling to accept the concept of them. :roll:

When you say: "I don't let my money or my talent be wasted on cheap imitations.", to me it says that you don't have enough respect for your money while at the same time placing waaay too much value on your talent... that is for someone I never heard of... just say'in. :lol:

But, to quote a Real American, Mark Twain: "Never Argue with a Fool... Passersby may be unable to distinguish between the two of you..." :wink:

With that... I'm Out !! :)

cheers!

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Post subject: Re: Trouble identifying Strat, Genuine?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:23 am
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I own REAL Stratocaster, Telecasters as well... some from America, some from ROW.

It's no surprise to me that you haven't seen any of the cheap imitation copies even come close to the quality or durability of an American Standard Stratocastor or Les Paul. because you obviously are unwilling to accept the concept of them. :roll:

When you say: "I don't let my money or my talent be wasted on cheap imitations.", to me it says that you don't have enough respect for your money while at the same time placing waaay too much value on your talent... that is for someone I never heard of... just say'in. :lol:

But, to quote a Real American, Mark Twain: "Never Argue with a Fool... Passersby may be unable to distinguish between the two of you..." :wink:

With that... I'm Out !! :)

cheers!


Oh aren't you good at your comebacks :)
That's some nice stuff you put out there fella, even closing with Mark Twain ;)
Bet that makes you a better guitar player and expert guitar luthier too.
Probably not...
I have a LOT of respect for my dollar especially when it come to FENDER.
I buy used and super deal parts on ebay and never give them a new off shelf dollar.
Wanna know why? Of course you don't, but I will tell you.
Because Fender does not respect the brand name so neither do I
Gibson on the other hand does so when I went to Zzounds.com and Americanmusical.com and got my 12 month no interest play as pay plans.
I bought Gibson Les Pauls new both in 2012 and 2013
And there again I respected my money and bought the Custom Classic instead of the Custom and saved $2000.
Then I bought the Signature T instead of the Standard and saved about a $1000.
I have a new USA Gibson Les Paul Custom and Standard for the price of a Custom.
I think I will continue to buy Fender used, they don't respect the name enough to keep it in USA like Leo did.
Now that my friend is respect, take your NAFTA and shove it.

Oh and P.S.
Nothing personal it just grinds my gears personally that they call a Stratocaster made in Korea Japan Mexico or China a FENDER.
It should be a Squire in my opinion so you think what you want and so will I.
Almost forgot my quote...
When you hear that big sucking sound going to the south, thats your money. You can thank NAFTA! - Ross Perot

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