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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:51 pm
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I have tried to get my head around this numerous times but there's something blocking these synapses from firing... :shock:

SO... if the X-1s are reverse polarity, what would a texas special have to be to work? OR... would it work fine if I pushed the magnets out and reversed them? OR if I swapped the wires of a Texas Special around? Honestly this magnet, polarity, RWRP, switching leads stuff makes my head hurt. I've tried to find an idiot-proof explanation on-line but have not been able to figure it all out... by the end of any explanation I've read I'm just (if not more) confused than when I began.


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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:00 pm
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I have tried to get my head around this numerous times but there's something blocking these synapses from firing... :shock:

SO... if the X-1s are reverse polarity, what would a texas special have to be to work? OR... would it work fine if I pushed the magnets out and reversed them? OR if I swapped the wires of a Texas Special around? Honestly this magnet, polarity, RWRP, switching leads stuff makes my head hurt. I've tried to find an idiot-proof explanation on-line but have not been able to figure it all out... by the end of any explanation I've read I'm just (if not more) confused than when I began.


If you use the X-1 in the bridge and a Texas Special middle,
you would have to use the black wire as a hot to the switch.
Then you would have to follow that with the neck if it was a Texas Special as well.
Single coils output and sound is not harmed by switching leads,
Humbuckers are so they always get wired correctly and Single coils get reversed.

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:08 pm
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If you use the X-1 in the bridge and a Texas Special middle,
you would have to use the black wire as a hot to the switch.
Then you would have to follow that with the neck if it was a Texas Special as well.
Single coils output and sound is not harmed by switching leads,
Humbuckers are so they always get wired correctly and Single coils get reversed.


Sorry donny, that's incorrect information.

If a pickup is RWRP then the hot wire is still the hot and the ground wire is still the ground. The reverse winding and reverse polarity is what causes the hum cancellation, if you wire any pickup as you describe then it will be out of phase and produce that horrible thin weak sound.

The pickups on my 83 Strat are all the same winding and polarity, not RWRP so all the positions buzz. Still sounds good though.

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:28 pm
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That's funny I make it work all the time.
Its a process of elimination first you check the leads,
then reverse magnets I can make it right in all positions with that process.

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:30 pm
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JamGuy wrote:
Honestly this magnet, polarity, RWRP, switching leads stuff makes my head hurt. I've tried to find an idiot-proof explanation on-line but have not been able to figure it all out... by the end of any explanation I've read I'm just (if not more) confused than when I began.


I have gotten into the rw/rp thing and mixing pickups before. See this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51750&p=620054&hilit=Eyelet#p620054

The problem is that some Fender RW/RP pickup sets have NSN polarity and some are SNS polarity. That means you would have to be careful when trying to mix different Fender pickups and hope to have the humbucking in positions 2 & 4. A compass comes in handy. And you might have to ignore wire colors to make things work.

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:31 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
If you use the X-1 in the bridge and a Texas Special middle,
you would have to use the black wire as a hot to the switch.
Then you would have to follow that with the neck if it was a Texas Special as well.
Single coils output and sound is not harmed by switching leads,
Humbuckers are so they always get wired correctly and Single coils get reversed.


Sorry donny, that's incorrect information.

If a pickup is RWRP then the hot wire is still the hot and the ground wire is still the ground. The reverse winding and reverse polarity is what causes the hum cancellation, if you wire any pickup as you describe then it will be out of phase and produce that horrible thin weak sound.

The pickups on my 83 Strat are all the same winding and polarity, not RWRP so all the positions buzz. Still sounds good though.



Your mechanical electrical expertise ceased to amaze me after your capacitor rant Gilga.
So sorry if I can give nothing you say any further any validity.

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:35 pm
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You guys realize these are entry level electronics right?
I mean there is only a bobbin some magnet rods coil wire and two leads?
There is two simple methods to mating reversed polarity pickups.
Switch the wires on the leads and trial and erroring it or flip the magnet rods.
There is nothing else in the pickup.

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:58 am
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donnycraven wrote:
Your mechanical electrical expertise ceased to amaze me after your capacitor rant Gilga.
So sorry if I can give nothing you say any further any validity.


This from the man who recommends Orange Drop capacitors "for fast playing" and measures his pickup "output" by seeing what it "ohms out at". Whatever that means. You'll excuse me for thinking you know less than nothing about the work of John Ambrose Fleming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:13 am
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donnycraven wrote:
Single coils output and sound is not harmed by switching leads,


donnycraven wrote:
Humbuckers are so they always get wired correctly and Single coils get reversed.


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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:24 am
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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
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I repeat

donnycraven wrote:
Single coils output and sound is not harmed by switching leads,


donnycraven wrote:
Humbuckers are so they always get wired correctly and Single coils get reversed.


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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:27 am
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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:42 am
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your 12


My 12?

Oh wait, you mean I year out at 12. I understand now.

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Post subject: Re: Fender X-1 Bridge Pickup Question...
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JamGuy wrote:
I have tried to get my head around this numerous times but there's something blocking these synapses from firing... :shock:

SO... if the X-1s are reverse polarity, what would a texas special have to be to work? OR... would it work fine if I pushed the magnets out and reversed them? OR if I swapped the wires of a Texas Special around? Honestly this magnet, polarity, RWRP, switching leads stuff makes my head hurt. I've tried to find an idiot-proof explanation on-line but have not been able to figure it all out... by the end of any explanation I've read I'm just (if not more) confused than when I began.



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