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Post subject: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:29 pm
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That do you prefer?
I hooked up both with same pickups and it seems the Grease Bucket changes the overall tone.
What is your opinions?

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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:40 pm
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The greasebucket circuit gently rolls off the highs without "muffling" your tone with excessive lows.


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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:26 am
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chromeface wrote:
The greasebucket circuit gently rolls off the highs without "muffling" your tone with excessive lows.


Its seems to change the tone a bit adding in some highs. I have built the same pickups in both strats.
The American Deluxe has American Standard wiring and seems to sound better.

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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:31 am
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chromeface wrote:
The greasebucket circuit gently rolls off the highs without "muffling" your tone with excessive lows.


Agreed.

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/M ... ne_Circuit

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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:13 am
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Miami Mike wrote:
chromeface wrote:
The greasebucket circuit gently rolls off the highs without "muffling" your tone with excessive lows.


Agreed.

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/M ... ne_Circuit


I noticed on the Strat Talk Boards Im not the only one taking it back to standard.

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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:55 pm
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Donnie, I think you should keep things simple with the tone circuit or get a Tonestyler to create more tonal options. Greasebucket is a cool marketing term, but I prefer a modified "Woman Tone" Circuit. Back in the 60's Clapton used a .015 cap on the bridge humbucker and you get a bit of the lower end nasal sound similar to a wah sweep. I use a .01 cap 50's style wiring so the tone and volume pots are interative. The tone pot on "10" is top end is bright and "0" has an upper mid-range focus with bottom end. When you manipulate the tone control, the sweep is smooth and subtle and there are lots of useable tonal options. When the volume is on 9 1/2, the tone control sweep changes and becomes a bit more bassy and you can get some nice jazz box and acoustic sounds out of the pickups. I use the .01 metal film caps.


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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:58 pm
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divebomber wrote:
Donnie, I think you should keep things simple with the tone circuit or get a Tonestyler to create more tonal options.



Hi divebomber,

I decided when I got home today before practice to go ahead and rip that out and go back standard.

I went from this

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To this

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It just sounded wrong at high volume I knew it had to be that Grease bucket because I wired the exact same set up in my other strat American Standard and it sounded so good.
Tonight it was so butterscotch smooth sounding and beautiful.
I am sure now I don't like the Grease Bucket. but its super easy to remove and take it back standard
I guess there is a reason its the standard lol.

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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:09 pm
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Looks good Donnie. As a recommendation, try a .01 cap. You'll get a better mid range sweep. The .022, IMHO gets too muddy on the bottom 3rd if the sweep. With a .01, the WHOLE tone control is usable. It's great with distortion and gives pseudo acoustic sounds in clean mode. I use my tone control more because of the tonal range of the sweep.


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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:52 pm
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OK I will look into a orange drop in that value

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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:17 am
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divebomber wrote:
Looks good Donnie. As a recommendation, try a .01 cap. You'll get a better mid range sweep. The .022, IMHO gets too muddy on the bottom 3rd if the sweep. With a .01, the WHOLE tone control is usable. It's great with distortion and gives pseudo acoustic sounds in clean mode. I use my tone control more because of the tonal range of the sweep.



Hi thanks for the tip I ordered two .01 orange drop caps and will try one out when I do my next string change on the standard.

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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:27 am
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Sounds great Donnie! Keep me informed. Eric Clapton used a .015 in his SG with Cream for the "woman Tone." I use the .01 on my custom Esquire guitar with a stacked humbucker. It gives me all the tonal options I need, for rock, metal and blues. The taper is smooth and gradual, with lots of midrange choices, like a wah. Bassy tone knobs are great for jazz, and muffled neck LP "Slash type" tones, more or less a "one trick pony." IMHO


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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:38 am
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I'm a fan of the Greasebucket circuit, but can fully understand why people avoid them to get the classic tonal characteristics from their Strat.

I just like the way it makes the bridge pickup sound, really. It gives you some more options - that's my take on it anyway.


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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:37 pm
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Simon M wrote:
I'm a fan of the Greasebucket circuit, but can fully understand why people avoid them to get the classic tonal characteristics from their Strat.

I just like the way it makes the bridge pickup sound, really. It gives you some more options - that's my take on it anyway.



That was one place I did notice that overdriven on the bridge pickup it sounded good.
It wasn't that big of a difference though really.
I didn't like it anywhere else and clean it was bad on the neck and middle.
I only use singles clean so It was no good to me.
I am waiting for my orange drop .01 cap to see how that's going to sound.

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Post subject: Re: Grease Bucket or American Standard?
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:07 pm
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I use these caps from Radio Shack
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... capacitors They work very good and their tolerances +/- 10% which is fine for passive guitar circuits. FYI.... with the volume on 10 and tone on 0 you will get the EC woman tone. If you back off the volume to 9 1/2, you will add more bass to the tone circuit. I recommend 50's wiring to have interactive controls.


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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:44 am
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divebomber wrote:
I use these caps from Radio Shack
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... capacitors They work very good and their tolerances +/- 10% which is fine for passive guitar circuits. FYI.... with the volume on 10 and tone on 0 you will get the EC woman tone. If you back off the volume to 9 1/2, you will add more bass to the tone circuit. I recommend 50's wiring to have interactive controls.


I am aware of Seymour Duncans 50s mod. That is not something Fender ever did its a Gibson thing. I will try it in standard I think.
I do my Les Pauls that way though because its original.

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