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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:04 pm
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That finish they use in Mexico sucks.


I've never had a problem with the finishes applied to the Ensenada-made instruments -- my one-owner 1998 '50s Classic still looks as nice as the day it was made.

I think your generalization sucks.

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I have seen it happen on not one not two but three different Mexican strats at the neck joint and other places.
Not only that but these people are posting pictures of it but hey...
If you like your polyester, you like your polyester.

Personally I invest in urethane and lacquer and don't play copies.
Not even Fender and Gibson's own official ones.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:10 pm
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takumi4 wrote:
Is this cracking limited to lower ended MIM guitars or do American strats suffer from it as well?

In answer to this I have certainly seen it on MIA strats though not to the degree you have. Sometimes it can be caused by a knock or jolt. :D


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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:15 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
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Is this cracking limited to lower ended MIM guitars or do American strats suffer from it as well?

In answer to this I have certainly seen it on MIA strats though not to the degree you have. Sometimes it can be caused by a knock or jolt. :D



Usually I find its a wood crack beneath the paint in a USA strat.
The Mexicans often just pop like glass when bolting on a neck and its just finish.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:23 pm
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Yep may be in your case but definitely in the urethane in the ones I have come across..... :D


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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:32 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
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I'm not so sure that it's the finish so much as the wood itself (contracting/expanding). The polyurethane is probably the same on MIM and MIA.



No Urethane is an American finish the Mexican Fender Stratocaster copies are finished in polyester.
Same with the Chinese Epiphone Les Paul copies.
The Jackson Japan copies also have a brittle glass like finish most likely polyester as well.
This is a cheap finish and buffs out almost glass like in no time.


It's been my experience with Strats from the '70s, which used polyester, that they were very durable and almost like thick plastic. Could it be that they are putting it on thinner, and therefore causing it to be brittle?


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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:55 pm
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paris wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
shimmilou wrote:
I'm not so sure that it's the finish so much as the wood itself (contracting/expanding). The polyurethane is probably the same on MIM and MIA.



No Urethane is an American finish the Mexican Fender Stratocaster copies are finished in polyester.
Same with the Chinese Epiphone Les Paul copies.
The Jackson Japan copies also have a brittle glass like finish most likely polyester as well.
This is a cheap finish and buffs out almost glass like in no time.


It's been my experience with Strats from the '70s, which used polyester, that they were very durable and almost like thick plastic. Could it be that they are putting it on thinner, and therefore causing it to be brittle?


Hey Paris buddy how you been?
I think in the Mexico lines they just use the cheapest stuff they can.
I mean look at what they sell those for.
Its not JUST the American workers salary but the cheaper hardware, wood and paint.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:45 am
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Same thing for me,

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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:52 am
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donnycraven wrote:
shimmilou wrote:
I'm not so sure that it's the finish so much as the wood itself (contracting/expanding). The polyurethane is probably the same on MIM and MIA.



No Urethane is an American finish the Mexican Fender Stratocaster copies are finished in polyester...


Oh yeah, it is only the necks that are finished in urethane. Don't forget the lacquer finished MIM guitars.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:34 am
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Yes They should switch completely to lacquer I think.
That would at least kick them up a notch in quality.
Buying an American Special is a better option really.
Just a couple hundred more bucks or getting one used even.
The only thing your left with istrying to upgrade is that same
Taiwan bridge a Mexican has.
Fender fought the lawsuit to stop others making cheap copies of their guitar just to start doing it themselves.
Its kind of funny and ironic.
They look like the real thing even got the sticker right.
But it aint the real thing.
I owned several American strats in my 30 plus years of playing.
I have also bought a couple of Mexican ones telling myself,
Oh these are just as good they make them just miles from each other and blah blah blah.
Truth is they are not even close by the time I upgraded it to a pro level working musicians
Guitar I had spent as much as buying a good used American Stratocaster.
So if you cant afford a new real Stratocaster buy a used one.

Here I will leave you with this :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:43 am
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donnycraven wrote:
Yes They should switch completely to lacquer I think.
That would at least kick them up a notch in quality.
Buying an American Special is a better option really.
Just a couple hundred more bucks or getting one used even.
The only thing your left with istrying to upgrade is that same
Taiwan bridge a Mexican has.
Fender fought the lawsuit to stop others making cheap copies of their guitar just to start doing it themselves.
Its kind of funny and ironic.
They look like the real thing even got the sticker right.
But it aint the real thing.
I owned several American strats in my 30 plus years of playing.
I have also bought a couple of Mexican ones telling myself,
Oh these are just as good they make them just miles from each other and blah blah blah.
Truth is they are not even close by the time I upgraded it to a pro level working musicians
Guitar I had spent as much as buying a good used American Stratocaster.
So if you cant afford a new real Stratocaster buy a used one.

Here I will leave you with this :lol:

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What a load of xenophobic crap!

:roll:

If bullshit were music, you'd be a 76-piece marching band.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:47 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
Yes They should switch completely to lacquer I think.
That would at least kick them up a notch in quality.
Buying an American Special is a better option really.
Just a couple hundred more bucks or getting one used even.
The only thing your left with istrying to upgrade is that same
Taiwan bridge a Mexican has.
Fender fought the lawsuit to stop others making cheap copies of their guitar just to start doing it themselves.
Its kind of funny and ironic.
They look like the real thing even got the sticker right.
But it aint the real thing.
I owned several American strats in my 30 plus years of playing.
I have also bought a couple of Mexican ones telling myself,
Oh these are just as good they make them just miles from each other and blah blah blah.
Truth is they are not even close by the time I upgraded it to a pro level working musicians
Guitar I had spent as much as buying a good used American Stratocaster.
So if you cant afford a new real Stratocaster buy a used one.

Here I will leave you with this :lol:

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What a load of xenophobic crap!

:roll:

If bullshit were music, you'd be a 76-piece marching band.

Arjay




ok :)

I don't always buy Fender but when I do I buy American.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:16 am
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donnycraven wrote:
I don't always buy Fender but when I do I buy American.


Yeah, me too......

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:43 am
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paris wrote:
It's been my experience with Strats from the '70s, which used polyester, that they were very durable and almost like thick plastic. Could it be that they are putting it on thinner, and therefore causing it to be brittle?


Yeah, think Thick-Skin!

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
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Retroverbial wrote:
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I don't always buy Fender but when I do I buy American.


Yeah, me too......


Have you ever checked out the MIJ Gibsons: the Orville?

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM 70s reissue paint cracking
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:49 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
I don't always buy Fender but when I do I buy American.


Yeah, me too......

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Then what was the issue you had?
I don't play copies myself, but Orvilles are now Epiphone Elite made in Fugi Japan.
I am aware of most product, I worked at a store for years.
I just consume the originals myself.

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