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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:55 am
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Still waiting on it, I have been in contact with the international sales guy, and he's been very friendly and helpful. It got to the flagship store sometime yesterday, but they're giving it a tweak before they ship it out, so it won't go out until Monday. While I'm super impatient and antsy to get the guitar, I really appreciate that they would take care of my guitar before sending it. Hopefully it should be here next week!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:21 pm
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Yep, that's Ishibashi for you.

When I got mine, it was in far better condition than it was described. Ishibashi are very meticulous with their gear and explain everything to such detail.

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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:49 pm
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So I got a bit of disappointment yesterday, as I woke up to an e-mail from Ishibashi saying they couldn't send me the guitar as the neck had gotten bowed and they were unable to fix it. I was told they could help me find another guitar or issue a refund. At this point I was a bit disillusioned with the experience so I asked for a refund. I imagine I'll give them another chance in the future, but for now I'm going a different route. Thanks for all your help everyone!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:38 pm
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So I got a bit of disappointment yesterday, as I woke up to an e-mail from Ishibashi saying they couldn't send me the guitar as the neck had gotten bowed and they were unable to fix it. I was told they could help me find another guitar or issue a refund. At this point I was a bit disillusioned with the experience so I asked for a refund. I imagine I'll give them another chance in the future, but for now I'm going a different route. Thanks for all your help everyone!


Well that's great customer service for you- at least they give a damn about setups. Not like a lot of other music chain stores you hear about on these forums.. :wink:

Otherwise anyone else would have sent you the guitar anyways, putting you through a painfully bad experience that we would hear.

TBH, in my opinion- I don't think major music stores do a setup straight from the box. Staff aren't as knowledgable these days as they used to. Gone are the times when a store would do a counter-top setup before you left the store.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:23 pm
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I just bought one!! This is one nice guitar. Quality workmanship and awesome feel. Gotoh tuners stay in tune, trem works wonderfully, sounds great, awesome neck with vintage frets and a 7.25 radius. I played it and I could not put it down. I used to own a Classic Series 70's Strat as well, made in Mexico--until I traded it in on this one. I did it because this Japanese one is by far better quality. If I want to upgrade anything I'll slam in some Dimarzio area pickups, maybe a different pickguard, and call it done. If you can find one, buy it!! Only 144 made... I owned an original 1978 Strat and this feels just like it, sounds like it too. I will keep this one until someone inherits it.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:54 am
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Blertles wrote:
They are regular line-up product in Japan, they're only FSR as they are let into the US market in limited numbers. http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/st72.html

These after all are a cheaper version of the MIM classic 70's Strat.

Unless you are after a decent '68 reissue with texas specials ( http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/st68-tx.html ), personally I'd rather go for a MIM model as the quality seems to be consistent these days, except you'll get better sounding pickups and an ash body rather than the basswood MIJ model. Basswood is not a bad wood however.

The MIJ mystique is pure mojo and hype here. I'd get excited over a 68 reissue anyday.

Just my opinion.



You are incorrect MIJ's are far better guitars than MIM's and sometimes better than MIA's.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:08 pm
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Echoes 71 is right. The Japanese Strats are better quality than the cuurent MIM ones. I traded my Classic 70's reissue in on this Japanese 2013 FSR, and this Japanese one is a solid well-built meticulously assembled guitar. You can literally feel the difference.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:16 am
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Blertles wrote:
They are regular line-up product in Japan, they're only FSR as they are let into the US market in limited numbers. http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/st72.html

These after all are a cheaper version of the MIM classic 70's Strat.

Unless you are after a decent '68 reissue with texas specials ( http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/st68-tx.html ), personally I'd rather go for a MIM model as the quality seems to be consistent these days, except you'll get better sounding pickups and an ash body rather than the basswood MIJ model. Basswood is not a bad wood however.

The MIJ mystique is pure mojo and hype here. I'd get excited over a 68 reissue anyday.

Just my opinion.



You are incorrect MIJ's are far better guitars than MIM's and sometimes better than MIA's.


Sure- it's in the eye of the beholder. If you re-read my post above, I never said they were better or worse :wink: but do tell us why you believe they are- everyone has a different opinion :)

Just pointing out that the MIM has an period-correct ash body and the MIJ has a basswood body- fairly common body material on a MIJ guitar.. It's not alder and certainly ain't ash..However that's a subjective debate if we are asking which one is the better, or which you prefer most. It's worth noting, MIJ standard series guitars are made of the same materials and use the same pickups as the mentioned 72 reissue Strat.

MIM models are either alder (50's and 60's classic series) or ash (70's classic series) that use different pickups also that resemble their genuine voicing. For the premium reissue models from Japan, they will have all period correct materials- pickups, nitro lacquer, neck shapes, configurations and will also command a slightly higher price than standard MIM lineup and even more than the standard reissue lineup (as per the link above to the MIJ '68 reissue I posted above) - that's the 'MIJ hype/mystique' that I talked about in a previous post.

Not saying one or the other is better- but from my experience from both MIJ and MIM models, today they are both consistent quality and construction. Difference is the 'bang for your buck' here- from Japan you seem to get more of it and obviously more variety than Mexico- hence why people may feel they are 'better'. Add to that, the attraction to them in the early 80's and what you hear about Japanese squires and contemporaries on forums and the notion that they are built the same way in the 80's .. They have a legend and thus the desirability vs. Poor supply in USA has made them hot property and they get snapped up fast when they are on a special run in the western markets.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:57 pm
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Blertles wrote:
Echoes71 wrote:
Blertles wrote:
They are regular line-up product in Japan, they're only FSR as they are let into the US market in limited numbers.

These after all are a cheaper version of the MIM classic 70's Strat.

Unless you are after a decent '68 reissue with texas specials ( ), personally I'd rather go for a MIM model as the quality seems to be consistent these days, except you'll get better sounding pickups and an ash body rather than the basswood MIJ model. Basswood is not a bad wood however.

The MIJ mystique is pure mojo and hype here. I'd get excited over a 68 reissue anyday.

Just my opinion.



You are incorrect MIJ's are far better guitars than MIM's and sometimes better than MIA's.


Sure- it's in the eye of the beholder. If you re-read my post above, I never said they were better or worse :wink: but do tell us why you believe they are- everyone has a different opinion :)

Just pointing out that the MIM has an period-correct ash body and the MIJ has a basswood body- fairly common body material on a MIJ guitar.. It's not alder and certainly ain't ash..However that's a subjective debate if we are asking which one is the better, or which you prefer most. It's worth noting, MIJ standard series guitars are made of the same materials and use the same pickups as the mentioned 72 reissue Strat.

MIM models are either alder (50's and 60's classic series) or ash (70's classic series) that use different pickups also that resemble their genuine voicing. For the premium reissue models from Japan, they will have all period correct materials- pickups, nitro lacquer, neck shapes, configurations and will also command a slightly higher price than standard MIM lineup and even more than the standard reissue lineup (as per the link above to the MIJ '68 reissue I posted above) - that's the 'MIJ hype/mystique' that I talked about in a previous post.

Not saying one or the other is better- but from my experience from both MIJ and MIM models, today they are both consistent quality and construction. Difference is the 'bang for your buck' here- from Japan you seem to get more of it and obviously more variety than Mexico- hence why people may feel they are 'better'. Add to that, the attraction to them in the early 80's and what you hear about Japanese squires and contemporaries on forums and the notion that they are built the same way in the 80's .. They have a legend and thus the desirability vs. Poor supply in USA has made them hot property and they get snapped up fast when they are on a special run in the western markets.



Actually, some of the new MIJ's are Ash (such as one of the ones I own), and some are Alder, and yes some are still basswood. Why are they better. Fit and finish, the final product all the way around. They have even redone their various pickups. I have had the late 80's, early 90's ones for years (72 reissues and a flower Strat), but I also picked up an Ash 71 reissue that they have just done this year. Their new vintage pickups are excellent, and the overall sound and feel of the guitar is excellent. In some ways better than my original 71.

So, before making so many generalizations, own a few, then come back again.

But also, dont get me wrong. I do not feel there to be anything wrong with MIM's, but for the same price or just a little more, you can get a better guitar with an MIJ, not to mention sometimes they are even better than the MIA's.

And I have actually owned them all (from each of the different locations I mean), which gives me a bit of insight.

http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/st68-tx.html
You will note the body is Alder

http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/st62-tx.html
Alder

http://www.fenderjapan.co.jp/st71-ash.html
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st62ashmh.html
Ash

st72.html
And yes, some are still Basswood, which some people will argue is equivalent to Alder, though I imagine you will not, even though it just depends on the grade of Basswood.

That should be enough info for you.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:14 pm
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In my 43 years of playing, I have played a lot of Strats. I have owned almost 500 of them over the years. I have owned, and own, made in America, made in Mexico, and Made in Japan, and made in Indonesia (FMT) Strats. The japanese one reminds me very much of the ones I owned in the 70's. Actually, the quality of this 72 MIJ I bought is slightly better than a few of them. The earlier MIM Strats were better quality than the ones made since 2005. My 2002, 2003, and 2004 MIM made ones are probably 30% better quality than the ones since 2005. And, the only plus for the newer ones are there are more windings on the pickups so they are bit hotter, and the high mass trem block too. You can also swap out the trem block on the oder MIM with the new block, and most people change the pickups anyways. The 72 MIJ I just bought has wonderful sounding pickups, very full and nice sounding. The only negative I have on this MIJ 72 one is that the first string needs to set in the saddle a little bit off center, to the B string, to not have the string too close to the edge of the treble side of the fingerboard. That's an easy fix, and it's the ONLY issue I have with this. The basswood body I find to have just as good as "coupling tone" as alder. I looked into basswood and alder differences a few years ago, and it is pretty darn close in all tests to alder. My ear can tell a tiny bit of difference, but I LIKE the sound, so it's all cool. I agree with Echoes71, go buy one and compare it side by side with a MIM, and MIA, and I don't think you'll complain.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Limited Edition 72 Strat
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:43 pm
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Just to muddy the water here, I wouldn't touch a new guitar with "vintage frets" as mentioned on the Fender Japan site. I need medium jumbo frets, those little skinny vintage frets are really not great to play on.

The fingerboard radius is a problem too, 184mm is 7.25 inches. While that's historically accurate that's far too rounded for most players. Too much historical accuracy, not enough concessions to modern playing styles, I'll pass on those two reissues.

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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:59 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
Just to muddy the water here, I wouldn't touch a new guitar with "vintage frets" as mentioned on the Fender Japan site. I need medium jumbo frets, those little skinny vintage frets are really not great to play on.

The fingerboard radius is a problem too, 184mm is 7.25 inches. While that's historically accurate that's far too rounded for most players. Too much historical accuracy, not enough concessions to modern playing styles, I'll pass on those two reissues.


I personally like the vintage frets. Probably because I got used to playing on them 43 years ago. Medium jumbos feel weird to me, so it's all about individual preference, isn't it? I don't have any problem bending, or fretting out, or any of those issues because my frets are dead level. I play lead with no problems on mine. Again, I guess it's what works for me may not for you. That's why Fender makes different models with different specs. I am grateful for that.


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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:38 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
Just to muddy the water here, I wouldn't touch a new guitar with "vintage frets" as mentioned on the Fender Japan site. I need medium jumbo frets, those little skinny vintage frets are really not great to play on.

The fingerboard radius is a problem too, 184mm is 7.25 inches. While that's historically accurate that's far too rounded for most players. Too much historical accuracy, not enough concessions to modern playing styles, I'll pass on those two reissues.



Well, that's why we have reissues and standards and such. I like to have both, skinnies and jumbos. I tell you, they're not arguing in the rack.
To stay with the theme of the thread, just bought a 96 MiJ 68 reissue, with an ash body, and its just a surprisingly well built guitar with amazing tone. I don't know about the newer CiJs but sure look just as good as mine.


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