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Post subject: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:20 pm
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So I've never changed anything stock before, or worked on my own guitars before. But I've been wanting to try some mods to a guitar that doesn't get played anymore. I bought a pack of Hot Gold Lace Sensors and plan on taking them to the local tech.

I was wondering though if I needed new pots or anything else to get these pickups to work. The guitar is a 94ish MIJ vintage reissue that I'd like to modernize a bit.

Will these pickups likely install or am I looking at needing other parts as well?

-Clueless


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:19 am
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IMO no , just need the Lace Sensor.
Pots and caps ( if 0.22 ) are what you have and waht you need.

Lace schematic here;

http://www.lacemusic.com/pdf/1.pdf


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:15 am
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Hope you like 'em. Many of us do. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:50 am
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Might as well put in some CTS pots while you are having the new pickups installed.

Most chain music stores carry these:
http://www.fender.com/en-CA/guitar-bass-parts/controls/250k-split-shaft-potentiometer-vol-or-tone/


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:29 am
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Welcome to the forum Strat. As long as you can use a soldering iron you should be good to go. I always take a few detailed before pictures and label the wiring before I get into it just in case I make a royal mess of things.


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:42 pm
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Toronado wrote:
Might as well put in some CTS pots while you are having the new pickups installed.

Most chain music stores carry these:
http://www.fender.com/en-CA/guitar-bass-parts/controls/250k-split-shaft-potentiometer-vol-or-tone/


CTS pot for upgrade but he don't need them . Will the knob fit ?

Why not the pickup switch too .

I don't really know how is the quality of those parts on MIM guitar .


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:01 pm
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Thanks for all of the suggestions. I might get those CTS pots. They're pretty cheap in price, would they improve my sound or performance of the pickups? They say for work for nearly all US or Mexico guitars. That's what the Fender replacement accessory kit said too and the parts fit perfectly on my MIJ. So those might work.


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:53 am
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Stratoccountant wrote:
Thanks for all of the suggestions. I might get those CTS pots. They're pretty cheap in price, would they improve my sound or performance of the pickups?


Nothing you can hear. They are well made , tough and standard in all American made guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:42 pm
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I would change to CTS pots and 5 way switch.


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:47 am
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I just ordered a set to throw in my American Special. I got the pre-wired pickguard. I can't wait to get them.


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:16 pm
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otis66 wrote:
I would change to CTS pots and 5 way switch.


+1

Be sure to specify the switch as CRL or Oak/Grigsby.

The MIJ volume and tone knobs *may* be a snug fit on the CTS pot shafts. And the MIJ switch tip likely will not fit the new switch at all.

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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:58 pm
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Well the project is delayed for the moment because I completely messed up the paint job. This was supposed to be my "I don't care if baggage carriers through it around" or "travel guitar."

I) I ordered the Fender original 250k splitshaft pots
2) Sprague Orange Drop caps .022
3) Black Gotoh Traditional Tremolo

Already had in anticipation of customizing this guitar:
- Black Vintage pickguard (8 screw)
- Black Neck plate
- Fender Black Replacement Accessory kit
- Hot Gold Lace Sensors

Here is what I did:
I took all of the plates, screws and electronics out. All 3 original pots were 500k. I have no idea what pickups were in there.

And I'm waiting for my parts to get here and I get the bright idea that my black guitar parts would look good on a graffiti yellow strat. And since I don't plan on paying the current asking price for one of those nor do I expect Fender to please their customers by making that color again, I decided to try painting it graffiti yellow myself. The sanding was a PITA and I stopped before finishing it all. I repainted it an the paint job is horrible. And the funniest thing about the paint job is that I repainted it black since most of the black pain was still on the guitar.

If anyone has any experience with removing paint I'd really appreciate some advice. I'm hoping to get the paint off and take it to a pro to paint it. I don't want to have to throw out the body or buy a new 50's MIM for $750 just to use the body.


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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:53 pm
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DIY in this racket is a slow and deliberate learning process. There's a lot of experience out here which, hopefully will come to your rescue. However, if you want to 'do the crime' in this, you have to 'do the time' as well. Hang in there...... I hear the Cavalry bugle... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Lace Sensor pickups in an old MIJ
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:56 pm
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Repainting a guitar is not so much difficulty as it is adhering ( :lol: ) to the steps and the prep work in between....

1st and foremost would be patience..... As in allowing the time to complete the sanding /stripping then the prep-work before applying the 1st and the subsequent coats..

2nd .... There is no need to take this to a Pro sprayer..... It will cost you quite a bit between the prepwork and the paint and labor....
Plus this is a good time to learn how to repaint....

Since you are repainting with a color, it is unecessary to strip the body. But you do have to sand it down to 600 grit... You can wetsand, BUT ONLY if there is no bare wood.... You don't want to introduce excessive moisture into the bare wood... Simply because once wet, bare wood will open up, expand and then you have the ends of the wood grain rising up, so that in effect you will have a surface ( bare wood ) with a prickly pattern and the painted surface will be smooth... When both surfaces are sanded down they will feel smooth until that 1st coat is sprayed on.. Painted surface of the previous finish will look smooth but the exposed wood will be rough in comparison.... Now you need to match both surfaces which will take a few xtra steps.....

If this is the case than what you need to do is to sand the bare sections, feathering onto the painted section ( meaning that it is a smooth transition from painted edge to wood no edges )then add a coat of primer on the bare section, than lighly sand, then another coat and repeat the process until when dry both sanded original finish and the now covered bare spots have the same consistency.... Only then can you begin to sand lightly and add coats until the depth of the finish you want is acheived.....

Also in between coats, you must remove all residue ( sanding dust, lint, ect.... ) otherwis e it will show up below the next coat....

This is just an outline, so I really recommend getting a book on refinishng guitars / instruments, Stew-Mac has a lot of DIY books available, so do that 1st and get familiarized with the process....

Also drying time between coats is critical, you can only spray on 2 coats per day, let them cure for 24 hours, sand lightly,prep, clean and repeat with another 2 coats, wait 24 hours and so on.....
24 hours because even though the rattle can you are using ( good quality lacquer ) may say dry in 2 hours or so, it really needs 24 hours to cure.... As paint cures, it shrinks, thus it will show all the imperfections.... too many coats added without curing then the bottom coats will take several weeks if not months to cure and then do some strange things....( Ask me How I know ).... so then you have multiple coats which will not be ready to handle let alone sand....

Your paint cans need to be heated to about 110 degree's Farenheit.... At this temp the paint will flow out of the nozzle smoothly not in spurts...
To heat place the can(s) in a pot or bowl of hot water ( from your tap ) If you cannot leave your fingers in the water for 30 seconds or more, than it's too hot.... Not cooking here just looking for a smooth flow and the warmer paint will also go on much smoother.
DO NOT heat the can in the sun or on a stove top......

At this point I will stop until you could tellus exactly where you are at and what you have done ..... OP.... :?:

I will add sand paper / type and grit size, and an outline of what you will need and should have tomorrow....

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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:06 pm
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