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Post subject: A little help to decide... Thanks in advance...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:08 am
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Hi everybody, I'm Petros from Greece and i seriously think of buying a new strat. I play guitar for many years but i can't say i'm a very advanced player. I mostly perform with an acoustic guitar in small pubs,bars etc.I now want the strat because it's the electric guitar that suits me more i think... I've got a B.C. Rich warlock from the early days. ( 15 years ago ! ! ! ) and a custom made guitar which is about 10 years old, made here in Greece, when i thought that i knew what i wanted (which i didn't).Both of them with dual humbuckers. Metal Beasts !!! Now that i'm 30 years old i would prefer sth more simple, single coiled, with no locking creations which i hate by the way and for sure something sounding closer to what i listen to now. My only dilemas are:
1) bridge humbucker, or single coil ? I don't want to play Very heavy things but i don't want to have a dead bridge either. Can i get more distorded sounds by my pedal board,or will it be just crunchy with the single coil ?
2) From all the colours, i think i would pick the new sienna sunburst. This colour is available only in american standards.Should i prefer the deluxe american+noisless SC pups or should i buy the guitar in the colour that i like ? I mean is the difference in the sound so great ?
3) Will i be able to make the hum disappear with the noise reduction system of my pedal board or will i destroy the sound that way?
4) The price difference between std and dlx is not an issue (thanks god for that ) so just tell me hat is the best.
5) A question that may be not for this forum . For your strat would you choose VOX Tonelab LE or Zoom g7.1- g9.2

Thanks in advance. Please write back soon, i would love to here your opinion about everything.


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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:40 am
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Welcome on the forum! I recommend The Vintage Noisless pick-ups Cheers :wink:


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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:24 pm
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I love the Sienna Sunburst too, and that was my first choice of color. But I went for what's in the guitar itself. I bought a American Deluxe, with the noiseless pickups and I love the sound that guitar can put out. I have no hum at all.


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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:38 pm
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Guys thanks a lot. I just saw the 2008 deluxe am.strat ash in the aged cherry burst color. Nice too and looks a little bit like sienna. I know that i should go for the tone and not for the looks but as i said i reached 30 and i decided that this is the guitar that i want and i want everything to be as i like.Maybe buying the std in sienna and changing later to SCN or lace sensors ? Or is it stupid ?


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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:55 pm
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If you can solder - or know someone who can, get whichever looks beautiful to you, and install some pickups. Also, you can shield the pickups for less hum.

http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php

Here's a how-to link on shielding.

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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:09 am
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Hi Petros

My best baby is Sienna Sunburst on an ash body and it is seriously beautiful. But I'm being tempted right now by a Deluxe Tele in that Aged Cherry Burst you mention, and over ash that is very nice, too, and pretty similar.

Pickups: I saw Jeff Beck playing his Strats with single-coils at the bridge, and he was getting tone that was about as crushingly heavy as you could imagine. A humbucker is not essential for a hard drive tone.

Myself, I go very light on my noise suppressor unit. Soon as I can tell it's there I hate what that does to the playing feel. Shielding the wires, pickguard and cavity is your solution.

Lastly. Choosing between multi-FX units is very much a matter of finding the total package of amp sims and FX that suits your needs. The one thing the Vox LE has over all the others is that 12AX7 tube/valve in the pre-amp section. We just gave my brother-in-law one as a birthday present and naturally I had to try it out first. That valve definitely gives a much better organic feel to your picking, and really takes things a step closer to a real amp. The Vox seems better than the competition at modelling clean and mildly driven amps, too, though that may not be of interest to you.

Or just buy a proper amp...

Cheers.


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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:49 am
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i love the humbucker in the bridge it just gives so many tone options.


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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:26 am
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Hi again guys.
Thank you all for your answers.although i think i can't decide yet. I like the simplicity of the standard strat and i like more the sienna sb than the aged cherry burst ( ok not tottally sure about that ), but on the other hand i like the extra features of the deluxe.Now i read somewhere here that the pickups of the deluxe together with the s-1 are getting the guitar a bit muddier in sound.Is that true ?Because the first think that i like about strat sound is brilliancy.Differences on the neck maybe? Actual size of body?
Thanks again guys and sorry for asking too much but the actual problem is that i don't have a guitar store near me to go and play these guitars and decide.


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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:40 am
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1) I prefer the single-coil in the bridge position, 'cuz it allows for some neat chirpy tones that are really hard to get with humbuckers. The Fat Strat setup is more common among metal players. I dig a lot of blues guys and the VAST majority of them use the single-coil bridge pickup.

2) Honestly, I'm not sure the hum from the single-coils will be as much of an issue today. Fender does a great job with sheilding on the newer models. And, like others have said, you can add extra shielding or change out the pickups if you're not satisfied. All that to say, all other things being equal, I'd go with the sienna sunburst if I were you.

3) Again, it's probably not going to be much of an issue. But if it is, better sheilding is probably a better choice than noise-cancelling pedals. Those things tend to eat your tone up.

5) Personally, I'm not a big fan of either of those or any multi-effects processors. They all tend to sound too digital and fake for me. Granted, different styles call for different effects, but have you considered getting a better amp instead? Your amp will be a big part of your guitar's voice, and as a coworker of mine is fond of saying, you can't polish a turd. A good amp often does not need to be dressed up. Often the onboard OD and Reverb are the best sounds for many styles. But if you do need effects that aren't on your amp (Delay, Chorus, whatever), I've become a big fan of the stuff put out by ElectroHarmonix and Tech21. Both of those companies make excellent single-effect units that sound MUCH better than any digital multi-effects processor.

Just my opinion, of course.


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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:55 am
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Thanks about everything yitty. I liked the thinks you said. I agree with you about the amp but the only problem is that the mfx units are a lot more portable and versatile. I would not use all of the effects in these units and thats for sure but i would like always to have these 5-6 nice made setups to work for me always. When playing i don't use amps at all. I go directly from the smaller zoom that i got now to the main console and i listen through the monitors. At home i got a marshall dfx30 and now thinking to get sth newer with tubes maybe but first the working axe !!! As you can understand this will be my once and forever equipment so i want everything to be fine.That's why i'm so boring with my strat questions. Thanx once again.


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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:24 am
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I have a digitec 150; I love/hate it.
Too technical for my baby boomer brain; too many choices; too hard to set up but it has many effects that are ok but sound "digital" as well.
I agree that your amp is the place to start for tone and keep the effects to a minimum; meaning no multi effect boxes but one effect for one box.
I have a Marshall DSL that has all the basic tone(s) I'm interested in so I really don't like all emulation (pre programed settings intended to mimic such and such amps, speakers, or cabinets) that's in my digitec 150 but it was the best buy for me because it had effects I wanted that were selling for $100.00 a piece.


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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:05 pm
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petros_antoniou wrote:
Thanks about everything yitty. I liked the thinks you said. I agree with you about the amp but the only problem is that the mfx units are a lot more portable and versatile. I would not use all of the effects in these units and thats for sure but i would like always to have these 5-6 nice made setups to work for me always. When playing i don't use amps at all. I go directly from the smaller zoom that i got now to the main console and i listen through the monitors. At home i got a marshall dfx30 and now thinking to get sth newer with tubes maybe but first the working axe !!! As you can understand this will be my once and forever equipment so i want everything to be fine.That's why i'm so boring with my strat questions. Thanx once again.


I've got an ampless road-rig setup from when I used to play in a Church band (i.e. small stage space and soundmen that need total control). It's based around the SansAmp GT2 by Tech 21. It's an all-analog amp simulator pedal that is simply amazing. The defaults let you choose between a Marshall voice, a Fender voice, and a Mesa/Boogie voice. Then you can tweak those. I typically have mine setup for a standard Marshall sound.

After that, I got the Holy Grail reverb pedal by Electroharmonix. It's the best sounding reverb pedal around. And by that, I mean it sounds like good amp-based reverb. The only drawback is that it does not run on batteries.

Then I used a few Boss pedals to give me a variety of other choices. Some of them are great (like the CE-5 Chorus), some of them are less so (like the DS-1 distortion). But I'm a Boss fan and they do the job.

All of that is mounted on a Gator Pedal Tote. The case is around the size of a laptop computer. All I have to do is take out my pedal board, plug in, and be ready to rock.

For portability and convenience without sacrificing quality, I found this was the best for me. I go direct into the soundboard with this setup. Typically, I'm a "set it and forget it" kind of player. I fiddle with the guitar itself, but I hate screwing around with my amp or pedals. So, I have all the pedals set in a way that will allow me to have the most variety by just turning some on and some off.

I did the digital thing for a while, but like I said above, it just sounded wrong. Being able to save presets is nice, of course, but ultimately I'd rather have my guitar's own voice more featured. The above setup is designed to give me the closest thing to an amp without having to bring an amp. That said, I'd probably say that the Line6 POD is one of the better sounding digital multi-thingies. MUCH better than Zoom. Zoom is OK for the newbie who doesn't know much about effects or playing. But taking a $1,000+ guitar and putting it through a Zoom is really a disservice to a nice axe if you ask me.


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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:17 am
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Hi everybody
Made my order on Friday. American Standard Strat in Sienna sunburst with rosewood fingerboard. Any opinions ? Sometimes i think of why not buying the deluxe but it goes again and then back and so on. I'm waiting from her to come tomorrow or the day after. Cleaned my appartment, took a shower, put hand cream and i'm waiting for her. !!!!!
Thanks to everyone who answered to my post. I'm gonna be asking questions soon again.
P.S. Please any of you who know about multi fx pedals : Vox tonelab le or zoom 7.1 ?


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Post subject: Re: A little help to decide... Thanks in advance...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:31 am
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1) It really depends on the amp. I find that old Fenders amps sound great with the bridge single coils. Newer amps...less so.

2) I like the Sienna sunburst, too. I think you can get that in the Deluxe series with the SC pups. They're fine pickups. You also get Fenders other little features such as the S1 switching which will put you in the more humbucker type league if you want that. I personally find all of that distracting, and the "POP" produced by the S1 switch is sickening to my ears.

3) If you're running high gain/distortion sounds you're going to dislike typical single coil pickups. They're going to buzz and the N/R features of your gear will help a little, mostly by cutting the signal when you're not playing, but that will get on your nerves after awhile. If you're playing metal, you're better off with a humbucker of some sort.


4) Std is going to get you standard pickups that hum and the deluxe will get you humbucking pickups that get very good single coil sounds. The deluxe will get you other features that will get you many sounds. It really depends on what you need. I personally would get the STD and upgrade the pickups. I like my Strats the way Leo designed them.

5) Vox. I've been through the Zoom stuff...IMHO, it's junk. The Vox stuff is really quite good.


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