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Post subject: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:48 am
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I just re-strung my new MIA for the first time finally (got it a month or so ago), and since I re-strung, i have had awful fret buzz on all the wound strings when i fret from the first fret most of the way up the neck. its somewhat noticable on the G string but not as much as EAD. Any tips on what this could be? it was not an issue before restringing, so I must have screwed something up - only problem is i've been restringing this way for 10 years almost.

If it matters, I restring my electrics just like an acoustic, winding threeish times and not looping anything.

Its a 2012 MIA and I put d'addario 9s on it which I've never had any issue with before on any other strats. Hopefully you guys can shine some light in on this


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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:13 am
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Do you remove all the string in same time ? If yes it take many days to fix that , just keep in tune . Don't touch to any adjustment BEFORE BE SURE you know what you do.

If you ONLY put string : Wait . But if you had play with saddles , tremolo springs , ggod lunck you need a complet set up.

Did you put same string gauge as before ? If yes , check if you have close to 1/8 inches between the back of the bridge and guitar body.

If you put smaller strings gauge, you have to loosen tremolo spring under the guitar body.

Tremolo spring and string MUST HAVE the same tension.

More tension on springs than string , bridge go down and string buzz.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:00 am
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Hi jlevesque88: assuming, as stratele52 indicates, that you haven't changed anything such as saddles, bridge height or string gauge, then it can only mean that the neck has moved a little. The most likely cause of this is that the neck straightened a touch under backwards pressure from the trussrod when you had all the strings off.

The first thing I would do is simply wait overnight, because sometimes once the strings are back on and their tension is working against that of the trussrod the two will balance each other out and the neck will return to its previous position. This normally happens at once, but it is not unknown for it to take some hours to settle down.

So first, give it a bit of time.

If it still is not right the next day it probably means the trussrod needs slackening a little, to allow a touch of front-bow into the setup. Normally we'd want to do that as part of a full basic setup, which after all is only a few minutes' work or a minimal charge from your local tech. Still, if you want to try slackening the strings well off, loosening the trussrod an eighth of a turn anti-clockwise and then retuning to pitch to see if that fixes it, then give it a go. You could try that procedure a second time if once isn't enough, but if that doesn't sort it then it really needs a proper setup, by you if you know how to do it, or by a decent tech.

By the way, while you have the strings slackened, just check that the neck bolts are nice and tight. Don't over-tighten them and risk stripping the threads in the wood, but make sure they are not actually loose. Movement at the neck join would be another possible cause of a neck not returning to true after restringing.

And don't worry. As you hoped, this is 99.9 percent likely to be a very minor issue.

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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:16 am
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Thanks a lot, I did take all the strings off at the same time as I always have. I've never had any issue doing this on other guitars, maybe i'll have to change that up a bit.

It's been a couple days now, I did play for a couple minutes yesterday to see and the problem was still present - if not worse.

I'm at work and it has sat another night so it's had more time to adjust, I'll take a look at it when I get home (no days off for holidays where I work haha), and if it's not resolved itself I'll tweak the truss rod a little. The setup was spot on when I purchased it (I went over all the specs a few days after buying it) so I'm hoping I won't need to give it a full set up again. I like to try to do things myself, even though I'm very new at guitar maintenence, so if it's bad enough I'll just have to take it in as a last resort.

Thanks again, if anyone has any other suggestions or possible reasons I'd like to hear it all - I'm trying to absorb as much as possible when it comes to maintaining my instruments


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:57 pm
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Usually it is a change in gauge that would cause this.
The nut is cut for something heavier, the slots are deeper.
I put my lighter gauge in and since the strings have room to move, buzz.

I always take all the strings off when changing strings and that interval is 3 weeks to a month at best. Unless the neck had a significant curve to begin with, this will not affect the guitar.

You can fill the slots and refile or replace the nut.


If you went up in gauge and the nut is cut for slimmer strings, the strings should be sitting on top of the nut rather than properly seated. That would leave no buzz on open strings but could cause a lot of noise when fretted.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:28 am
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AngryHatter wrote:
Usually it is a change in gauge that would cause this.
The nut is cut for something heavier, the slots are deeper.

I DESAGREE , SLOT ARE NOT NOT DEEPER FOR HEAVIER STRING, WIDE MAYBE BUT NOT DEEPER

I put my lighter gauge in and since the strings have room to move, buzz.

I always take all the strings off when changing strings and that interval is 3 weeks to a month at best. Unless the neck had a significant curve to begin with, this will not affect the guitar.

NEVER DO THAT ON ELECTRIC GUITAR OR ANY GUITAR. ONE STRING AT TIME. LUTHIER CAN DON THAT AND MUST DO THAT FOR THEIR WORK BUT THEY ARE PROFFESSIONAL AND ARE ABLE TO DO A COMPLETE SET UP EASELY

You can fill the slots and refile or replace the nut.

DON'T DO THAT , DON'T MAKE THE JOB YOU DONE WORST


If you went up in gauge and the nut is cut for slimmer strings, the strings should be sitting on top of the nut rather than properly seated. That would leave no buzz on open strings but could cause a lot of noise when fretted.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:50 am
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Absolutely nothing wrong with removing all the strings at once - I've been doing that for 22 years with no problems. Well, unless a Floyd Rose is involved. :lol:

Do you have the two post trem? If so, worth checking it hasn't slipped down the post on the bass side when you removed all the strings. I've had that happen before and not noticed it straight away with similar symptoms.

Worth checking the post hasn't moved, too - some US Strats have posts which seem to wind back in even if you look at them the wrong way.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:59 am
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Vulpinity wrote:
Absolutely nothing wrong with removing all the strings at once - I've been doing that for 22 years with no problems. Well, unless a Floyd Rose is involved. :lol:
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I do that sometimes ,but I now very well how to do set up and fix any guitar. But I won't tell to do that way on a forum because I don't know who read that .

You could save a lot of trouble if you do one string at a time.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:19 am
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I see both sides of this discussion.

I always take all the strings off (even with a Bigsby): apart from anything else it makes cleaning the fingerboard so much easier. I've never had a problem, even when I've sometimes left the strings off for weeks at a time.

On the other hand, since the problem here is certainly that something has moved while string tension was absent, changing them one at a time would have prevented the issue in this case.

So, horses for courses, on the string changing thing. Since I'm guessing jlevesque88's neck possibly has a generous amount of application of the trussrod in its factory setup it's something he might want to consider for the future with this particular guitar.

Now, I want an update from jlevesque88. Did a gentle slackening of the trussrod help? If not, it's time for a ground up fresh setup, because any further adjustments are going to affect things like action and intonation.

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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 5:57 am
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I haven't had a chance to make a truss rod adjustment yet - busy week for work. When I get home today I'll give it a shot. I got a chance to pick it up after another day of the strings being on and tuned properly, still the same issue.

I'll give an update later on tonight with what I find after adjusting the truss rod a little.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:58 am
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jlevesque88 wrote:
I haven't had a chance to make a truss rod adjustment yet - busy week for work. When I get home today I'll give it a shot. I got a chance to pick it up after another day of the strings being on and tuned properly, still the same issue.

I'll give an update later on tonight with what I find after adjusting the truss rod a little.


Don't do some work like a blind .

Take some reading of you neck bow before . Guitar tune up is easy ONLY IF YOU DO THE RIGHT WAY .
Unless that you'll do a mess.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:23 am
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stratele52 wrote:
jlevesque88 wrote:
I haven't had a chance to make a truss rod adjustment yet - busy week for work. When I get home today I'll give it a shot. I got a chance to pick it up after another day of the strings being on and tuned properly, still the same issue.

I'll give an update later on tonight with what I find after adjusting the truss rod a little.


Don't do some work like a blind .

Take some reading of you neck bow before . Guitar tune up is easy ONLY IF YOU DO THE RIGHT WAY .
Unless that you'll do a mess.



I'm confident enough in my ability to do a regular set up, I've done them before on other strats with good success - I have never come across this situation, however, so I'm reaching out before tampering with more than my ability permits.

I attempted last night to give the truss rod a minor adjustment, 1/8th a turn counter clockwise as advised... seemed to have little or no affect. I didn't get a lot of time to let the wood settle before I had to go back into work so I will give it a play again when I get home to see if it has settled in at all.

If this is unsuccessful I'll start looking into other suggestions mentioned - only what I feel comfortable tampering with, though. If it's not something I feel comfortable adjusting or messing with at all I'll just have to cough up the money to bring it in to a tech (I still haven't found one i'm totally thrilled with in my area unfortunately).

As much as I like learning and trying to absorb knowledge so I can do these things on my own, I don't wanna get too far ahead of myself and really start screwing things up.

Thanks for the help again, guys. I'll give another update when I get my hands on her again.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:02 pm
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jlevesque88 wrote:

Take some reading of you neck bow before . Guitar tune up is easy ONLY IF YOU DO THE RIGHT WAY .
Unless that you'll do a mess.


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I attempted last night to give the truss rod a minor adjustment, 1/8th a turn counter clockwise as advised... seemed to have little or no affect......

If this is unsuccessful I'll start looking into other suggestions mentioned - only what I feel comfortable tampering with, though.... ...

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Why don't you mesuring what is the neck bow BEFORE ?

You 'll know right now if you must work on the truss rod or not .

Too bad , you don't read what I write before . You work like a blind.


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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:25 am
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Update:

The worst offenders are now the A and D strings, most of the way up the neck. The buzz seemed to have toned down a bit after a tweak of the truss rod. More adjustment might make the problem diminish, but I also don't want to suffer less than prefered action just to avoid the buzz when another issue could be causing it. I will look at the trem posts tonight to see if anything moved (as suggested a bit ago).

If the problem continues I'll just end up bringing it in. My free time is few and far between recently so handling things as quickly as I'd like just isn's possible haha.

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Post subject: Re: Minor issue, I hope
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:21 am
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Hi again jlevesque88. Thanks for the update.

This is the point where you or a tech need to start from the beginning with a proper basic set up. You need to run through relief (trussrod), action (saddle height), and intonation (saddle pitch adjustment) in that order.

Only 15-30 minutes' work - but it's necessary, because from here on in is where tinkering with individual adjustments in isolation can confuse matters and make things worse rather than better.

Also, like stratele52 says, I'd personally want to start by measuring where the relief is at the moment, as a point of reference. Just to have the clearest idea of what's going on.

If any of that worries you then there's no shame in taking the guitar to a tech and paying a small fee to have it done for you. Thousands do the same.

Don't fret: 99% sure this is a totally simple, fixable problem. :)

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