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Post subject: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:20 am
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I just got my first strat which is 1997 Standard,since the strings condition was awful I decided to change them to D'Addario EXL110 Nickel Wound,That was my first re-string try with the help of youtube and the result wasn't that great becuase now both E and A hummin'\buzzin' when i play them without the AMP on.
one more thing that i have to mention is that during the re-string the bridge popped out and I had to tighten up the springs on the back,
I also tried to adjust the height of the strings and that didn't help.

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http://i43.tinypic.com/30svsw4.jpg
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Any Help would be much appreciated!


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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:14 am
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You do the same mistake all of us do one time.

String must be replace one at the time to keep 1/8 inches between bridge plate and guitar body. At the rear of the bridge plate.

Or you put spacer to keep this 1/8 inches before changing string ; this is the best way.

If your string buzz this because bridge plate is less than 1/8 inches .

1- tune your stings
2- loosen tremolo spring little bit to have at the end 1/8 space
3- re tune your string
4- loosen or tightened tremolo springs
You have to do that many time to have the proper set up.

Do that until you have your 1/8 under bridge plate. There are no secret ; time and experience
You buy this guitar used , good thing to do is to find a GOOD luthier to do a complete set up . Truss rod could need an adjustment , intonation too.

See ONLY a good luthier not anybody you are not sure if he do a good job.
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Look at support ( upper right this page) set up sting instruments, Stratocaster

www.fender.com/fr-CA/support/articles/s ... tup-guide/


llowing the bridge to float freely (no tension on the tremolo arm) using the claw screws in the tremolo cavity, adjust the bridge to your desired angle—Fender spec is a 1/8" (3.2 mm) gap at rear of bridge. You'll need to retune periodically to get the right balance between the strings and the springs. If you prefer a bridge flush to the body, adjust spring tension to equal string tension, while the bridge rests on the body (you may want to put an extra 1/2 turn to each claw screw to ensure that the bridge remains flush to the body during string bends). Caution: Do not over-tighten the springs, as this can put unnecessary tension on the arm during tremolo use. Finally, you may wish to apply a small dab of Chapstick® or Vaseline® at the pivot contact points of the bridge for very smooth operation.
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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:02 am
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How tight should the 2 screws on the bridge (not on the back) be?,I'm still trying to make it 1/8 inch but it changes when i tune it properly while the E and A strings still buzzin' this might be bacuse of the strings size D'Addario EXL110?

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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:28 am
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The change to the XL110s is a factor - American Standards normally come with .009s. Unless the guitar already had .010s on it you should expect to do a set-up when moving up a gauge with the floating trem.


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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:11 am
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Jacky_Green wrote:
How tight should the 2 screws on the bridge (not on the back) be?

You're talking about the pivot screws..? Just tight enough so the front edge of the bridge plate touches the body.

See Ceri's explanation & picture here (second post from the top):
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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:21 am
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Jacky_Green wrote:
How tight should the 2 screws on the bridge (not on the back) be?,I'm still trying to make it 1/8 inch but it changes when i tune it properly while the E and A strings still buzzin' this might be bacuse of the strings size D'Addario EXL110?

Thank you!




These 2 screws are a pivot post. These pivot screw are useful to adjust action of all the string in one shot . ( you can fine tune action with saddle allen screw ) These pivots are "V" grooved and must be set that bridge move freely and at the eight of 1/8 inches at the back of bridge plate.

About the tremolo spring under the guitar body , the tension of these springs must be equal the tension of the strings.

A good tremolo set up is a few hours job and not easy to do , take your time .


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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:51 am
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First check on a used guitar should be to look along the neck at eye level, from bridge to nut and check for straightness. Next check for fret wear (if pervious owners have been lax in cleaning strings after use, abrasive oxides can form on the strings).

After those basic checks its pretty much setting action and intonation as described above.
Strats aren't as easy to set up as say an SG or Telecaster, and if you have a guitar without tremolo might be a good idea to practice setup on that. With the Strat it's constantly juggling trem spring tension against string tension.

I restrung my recently aquired modern player with a 10-52 set- one string at a time though, some minor adjustments and everythings settled in nicely.

For tuning and intonation I find 5/7, 5/7,5/7, 9/5, 5/7 harmonics useful (listen for the "beat tones") + 12th fret open/harmonic.fretted.


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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:23 pm
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I managed to make it 1\8 inches but still gettin' the buzz from the low E and the A strings,although at some point when I adjusted the pivots the A string stopped from buzzin' but after height changes I made for the low E string it got buzzed again.

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http://i44.tinypic.com/30k3imv.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/5wxzxz.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/30svsw4.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/4gm935.jpg

Can you tell by those images if there is something wrong with my nut or my strings height?

What would be the right height for my strings(D'Addario EXL110,010-46)?

Thank you all for your great help!


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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:52 pm
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Absolutely do not ever adjust your action with those two pivot post screws. Take the strings and the springs off the guitar. Put the trem back on the pivot posts (it will be loose). Raise those posts till the leading edge (edge nearest the bridge pickup) has a 2mm gap between it's bottom and the top of the guitar body.

Whilst you're about it, check where the trem plate fits into those pivot posts. If there is wear on the trem plate, then the posts are worn too. Both will need replacing.
Adjusting those pivot posts under string and spring tension ruins tremolo units. Don't ever do it. Adjust your action with the 12 grub screws in the six saddles. Raise or lower the saddles, not the plate.

As for your action issue, the neck is too straight, the strings too low, the pickups too high or the frets too worn.
Start by eye'ing up the frets. Then lower the pickups. Then do the neck relief, then the action.

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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:57 pm
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You must do a complete and proper set up . You probably want to go too fast you should follow each step carefully .


A fast and short test;
Check action like Fender write ; Don't forget to put capo on first fret , to cancel nut height ;
read and do that .
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Players with a light touch can get away with lower action; others need higher action to avoid rattles. First, check tuning. Using a 6" (150 mm) ruler, measure the distance between bottom of strings and top of the 17th fret. Adjust bridge saddles to the height according to the chart, then re-tune. Experiment with the height until the desired sound and feel is achieved.

Note: For locking tremolo systems, the individual string height is preset. Use the two pivot adjustment screws to achieve the desired overall string height.

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Post subject: Re: Hummin\buzz help
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:01 am
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But even then when adjusting a Floyd Rose don't turn those screws with the strings or springs on the guitar.

It is exactly what makes those systems so hard to work with but is a necessity

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