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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:41 pm
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Just it not having the stamp in the neck pocket scares me even though the body looks legit. I wonder how much that along with the repair will effect its value.. or it is just paint cracking which is common with a tight neck pocket =/. The guitar is a 2 hour drive away from me so I can't see it in person unless I drive there. He said it had a fretjob done but the fret edges need to be filed still and that was the way he received it.

What's this worth roughly? given there is no stamp in the neck pocket, but neck is obviously legit and likely the most valuable piece of the guitar. given everything.. could someone let me know. I just don't want to get f$#@%ed ;)

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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:11 pm
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No body knows what the guitar is worth, it's worth what it sells for. If you think it's worth the money asked, buy it.

The used market is too fickle to have a list of prices on used pieces that are complete, as they came from the factory. Prices vary too much from area to area, never mind with a creation of Fender parts, which this is.

Your best bet is to look for what a used 90's Deluxe or Plus sell for in your area, the area the guitar is being sold from. Go for the mid-ground between the two. Knock a bit off for the guitar being a non factory creation. Go see the guitar and see if it plays to the price you've got roughed out in your head. If it does, buy it. If it doesn't, guitars are like buses. Another will be along in 5 minutes

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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:19 pm
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I totally understand what you are saying...there is no money involved,hence me asking. It was an item he was looking for that i have. Neck is worth 275-300 the way i see it, and me being a lefty. The neck interests me. I was going to get this for my father. But not sure if he is overly interested in it. If i did remove the neck to build another strat, the body wouldnt really be worth anything aside from the bridge i take it. Hmm.


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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:40 pm
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Bodies sell for as much as necks on ebay

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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 5:24 pm
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In that condition with no pocket stamp?


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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:30 pm
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Didn't the Jeff Beck Strat have satin tuners and did they indeed come as a left handed version?

I'm thinking Strat plus neck, swapped tuners and trees.. Body is a bit shabby too. Not my cup of tea if I was a lefty..

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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:23 pm
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You must not have read anything i typed :?:


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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:35 pm
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northwoodslivin wrote:
You must not have read anything i typed :?:


Not everything, no. I don't have the time. But I will say that once anything has been altered or parted out, it does affect the resale value. To what that Strat is worth however, who knows... It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. It's not worth market value however for a Strat plus or whatever it came from.

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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:50 pm
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Nooo it's not Fake and is an Awesome Strat!
maybe is the model made in 93 with reverse headstock there's a lot
strats from factory made this way...


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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:37 am
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Blertles wrote:
Didn't the Jeff Beck Strat have satin tuners and did they indeed come as a left handed version?


There was no JB Strat for southpaws until I saw the current JB Custom available as a lefty!

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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:43 am
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beneprado wrote:
Nooo it's not Fake and is an Awesome Strat!
maybe is the model made in 93 with reverse headstock there's a lot
strats from factory made this way...


True - but not an American Standard-type guitar. The reverse headstock models were 60s-style guitars (for that Hendrix vibe). It's definitely not a factory job.

northwoodslivin - I'm just not sure what that would be worth given that it's a parts guitar (even though the body and neck are Fender parts). Probably somewhere in the $400-$500 range depending on just how back that crack in the body is and how it was repaired. Also pricing would depend on what kind of pickups are in the guitar - if they are Fralins the pickups themselves would be worth more than say Duncans or DiMarzios. To determine a price for a guitar like this you're kind of "valuing" the parts that went into it.

By the way a swimming pool route on the body is consistent with an American Standard body of that era; that route was used from the time the guitar was introduced (some early production runs in late 1986) until circa 1998-1999 when they changed to the HSH routing they still use today.


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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:40 am
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The hard thing about identifying a guitar like this is that all the parts for the American Standard Strats and Strat Plus' of that era were basically the same. The only way to know if that was a Strat Plus neck would have been if there was never string trees added. Once they are added, then it is hard to know as the necks are identical other than the nut and the absence of the string trees. I am with John C, the neck is most likely a lefty American Standard that has been modded with a Wilkinson Nut. IO have not see a lefty Strat Plus over the years. The neck is not off a Jeff Beck Strat as it would have the JB signature on the headstock as all did that era. I have seen Chavez's name on a lot of necks around this era as well. Very well could be a partscaster.

One way to know if the body is older is by examining the bridge poles. If there are brass inserts in the body for the bridge pegs, then it is a late 87 or newer. Mid-1987 Fender used one piece screw in bridge peg with NO brass inserts.I do not think the body has been refinished by examining the neck route—most likely Vintage White, BTW. The cracks in the body area big turn off for me.

Personally, I would not pay over $450 for this guitar. I would most likely look for something else, IMHO. Like was pointed out, the parts are worth a little more than that. It just looks like it is dirty and been around the block a few times. Wonder how it plays? :?

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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:39 am
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Thanks for all the info people , i appreciate it.
I have passedon the guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Is this a fake USA Stratocaster??
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:02 am
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Xhefri wrote:
The hard thing about identifying a guitar like this is that all the parts for the American Standard Strats and Strat Plus' of that era were basically the same. The only way to know if that was a Strat Plus neck would have been if there was never string trees added. Once they are added, then it is hard to know as the necks are identical other than the nut and the absence of the string trees. I am with John C, the neck is most likely a lefty American Standard that has been modded with a Wilkinson Nut. IO have not see a lefty Strat Plus over the years. The neck is not off a Jeff Beck Strat as it would have the JB signature on the headstock as all did that era. I have seen Chavez's name on a lot of necks around this era as well. Very well could be a partscaster.

One way to know if the body is older is by examining the bridge poles. If there are brass inserts in the body for the bridge pegs, then it is a late 87 or newer. Mid-1987 Fender used one piece screw in bridge peg with NO brass inserts.I do not think the body has been refinished by examining the neck route—most likely Vintage White, BTW. The cracks in the body area big turn off for me.

Personally, I would not pay over $450 for this guitar. I would most likely look for something else, IMHO. Like was pointed out, the parts are worth a little more than that. It just looks like it is dirty and been around the block a few times. Wonder how it plays? :?


I agree about the roller nut. If you look closely, you can see that the roller nut is meant for a right handed guitar.


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