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Post subject: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:00 am
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Hi!

I've been thinking about getting someone to change the nut of my strat. I had problems with the factory made nut and it kept going "sitarr" on me but I changed strings to blues/jazz rock XL daddarios and it fixed the problem.

Today I tightened back the tremolo so it's almost stuck to the body and when I was tuning it back to normal I noticed the high E string was making wierd sounds COMING from the bridge but disappearing when fretting a note.

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I've grown tired of this nut and want a nut that won't bother me anymore. Also, is it of any use to get myself a bridge without tremolo if I don't use the tremolo?

I won't be doing this myself, I'll give it to a local guitarshop which is very bad in my opinion, but it's all that I've got :(

What kind of a nut should I get? I don't want to change the tones to much, just make it more consistent and a durable one.

P.S. I would like the parts to be from a European store so I can get it without paying for massive delivery and tax fees.


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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:24 am
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Shajan wrote:
Today I tightened back the tremolo so it's almost stuck to the body and when I was tuning it back to normal I noticed the high E string was making wierd sounds COMING from the bridge but disappearing when fretting a note...
...What kind of a nut should I get?

Hi Shajan: I'm not sure why you want to change the nut if you've got a problem with weird sounds coming from the bridge...?

Still. There are many options: in your place I'd probably go for a TUSQ pre-cut Strat nut. It will take a few minutes' work to adjust the slots to perfection, and you're ready to go.


Shajan wrote:
P.S. I would like the parts to be from a European store so I can get it without paying for massive delivery and tax fees.

Perfectly reasonable. Try this:

http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/graph-tech-tus ... 2478-p.asp

Or this:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/tusq_pq5000sattel.htm

Or this:

http://www.rockinger.com/index.php?cat= ... 98f44d7592

Depending where you prefer to shop, geographically speaking.


Shajan wrote:
Also, is it of any use to get myself a bridge without tremolo if I don't use the tremolo?

In fact, there are ways to fit a non-tremolo bridge to a guitar that is routed for a trem - but it's a ton of hassle and I wouldn't bother if I were you. Just ask your tech to "block" the trem: that means tightening it down hard to the front of the body and perhaps inserting a piece of wood behind the trem block as well. It is the time-honoured way of turning a trem into a hardtail. Your tech will know all about it.

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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:58 am
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Wow, thanks for such a informing answer :)

I think it has to do with the nuts because the other strings have similiar sounds but all the "bad" sounds disappear when I fret a note, regardless of string. It's only the high E string which has an '"extra" bad sound coming from the bridge, which doesn't disappear with me doing anything to the bridge or the string going through it- It only disappears when I fret the notes.

BTW:
What are those metal nuts I see, are they any good?


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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:08 pm
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Shajan wrote:
Wow, thanks for such a informing answer :)

I think it has to do with the nuts because the other strings have similiar sounds but all the "bad" sounds disappear when I fret a note, regardless of string. It's only the high E string which has an '"extra" bad sound coming from the bridge, which doesn't disappear with me doing anything to the bridge or the string going through it- It only disappears when I fret the notes.

BTW:
What are those metal nuts I see, are they any good?


I think the one he told you about will be your best bet they even come in white now and all you have to do is sand a little tab off the back and its ready.
It only takes a light hammer tap on a screw driver flat blade to tap on the side of the old nut to slide it out of the slot

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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:16 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
Shajan wrote:
Wow, thanks for such a informing answer :)

I think it has to do with the nuts because the other strings have similiar sounds but all the "bad" sounds disappear when I fret a note, regardless of string. It's only the high E string which has an '"extra" bad sound coming from the bridge, which doesn't disappear with me doing anything to the bridge or the string going through it- It only disappears when I fret the notes.

BTW:
What are those metal nuts I see, are they any good?


I thing the one he told you about will be your best bet they even come in white now and all you have to do is sand a little tab off the back and its ready.
It only takes a light hammer tap on a screw driver flat blade to tap on the side of the old nut to slide it out of the slot

Do you have a instructional video or something? I'm scared I might brake it. I've adjusted basic things on my guitars but not changed pickguard, messed with the pickups and electrical wires, touched the trussrod or changed the nut.

I really don't want to break the guitar, haha.


BTW

I noticed something on the bridge. On the part of the saddles that the string pass over/touch/angle itself the silver finish is worn down so that it's basically "worn" canals for the strings to pass through, should it be like that or has it been worn out? My other guitar is a AK95 Ibanez with a wooden ebony bridge (jazz box) so I'm not used to fully electrical guitars yet :D


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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:23 pm
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Here is a video of the exact things you would have to do with the nut

http://youtu.be/_BgrIuHI2Xk

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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:29 pm
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Shajan wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
Shajan wrote:
Wow, thanks for such a informing answer :)

I think it has to do with the nuts because the other strings have similiar sounds but all the "bad" sounds disappear when I fret a note, regardless of string. It's only the high E string which has an '"extra" bad sound coming from the bridge, which doesn't disappear with me doing anything to the bridge or the string going through it- It only disappears when I fret the notes.

BTW:
What are those metal nuts I see, are they any good?


I thing the one he told you about will be your best bet they even come in white now and all you have to do is sand a little tab off the back and its ready.
It only takes a light hammer tap on a screw driver flat blade to tap on the side of the old nut to slide it out of the slot

Do you have a instructional video or something? I'm scared I might brake it. I've adjusted basic things on my guitars but not changed pickguard, messed with the pickups and electrical wires, touched the trussrod or changed the nut.

I really don't want to break the guitar, haha.


BTW

I noticed something on the bridge. On the part of the saddles that the string pass over/touch/angle itself the silver finish is worn down so that it's basically "worn" canals for the strings to pass through, should it be like that or has it been worn out? My other guitar is a AK95 Ibanez with a wooden ebony bridge (jazz box) so I'm not used to fully electrical guitars yet :D



If its just finish or chrome on the saddle it may be ok I would need to see a picture.

If you don't feel you can replace the nut yourself you can always take it to a guitar shop to the repairman

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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:19 am
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The saddles should not have grooves in them, that means that they are worn, and that could be the reason for the noise. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:50 am
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Ceri wrote:
Just ask your tech to "block" the trem: that means tightening it down hard to the front of the body and perhaps inserting a piece of wood behind the trem block as well. It is the time-honoured way of turning a trem into a hardtail. Your tech will know all about it.


Blocking a trem is also a very popular mod.

Eric Clapton did this in his personal guitars since he does not use the tremolo at all.

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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:17 am
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It is my understanding that EC never used any blocks of wood, but simply tightened the trem-claw screws down all of the way, and used five springs to prevent the bridge from moving.

Why Fender ever started including the blocks of wood on some instruments supposedly emulating ECs guitar, is still baffling to me.

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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:02 am
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One thing to watch for on a Classic 50's: the nut and fretboard are clear coated. Care must be taken not to chip this coating away when removing the nut. I believe the coating can be cut with a razor between the nut and fretboard.


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Post subject: Re: Replacing parts of my 50s Classic Player. Need advice!
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:01 am
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I recently used a TUSQ nut on a partscaster and am very pleased with the results. But having said that, I would first ask my to tech clean up the grooves in the existing nut. I once ordered a MIM Tele with a nut that was not cut well at the factory. On one of the strings in particular, I would hear a "ping" every time I bent a note. I brought it to my local tech for a setup and told him about the nut. When I picked up the guitar, all was well. He didn't even charge me extra as he typically includes that as part of the setup (of course, that policy varies by tech/shop).

Good luck!


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