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Post subject: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:44 pm
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New to this forum and perhaps this question has been answered, but here goes. My strat has the s1 switching with the N3 noiseless pickups. I just purchased a Semour Duncan Custom 59 / Hybrid to throw into the mix. Should be able to split this pickup at the bridge. 4 wires, r, g, b, w, ground. Not sure how to make this work. To many different color wires!! I think I should have researched this before I bought the pickup. Help !!!!


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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:33 pm
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tmills wrote:
New to this forum and perhaps this question has been answered, but here goes. My strat has the s1 switching with the N3 noiseless pickups. I just purchased a Semour Duncan Custom 59 / Hybrid to throw into the mix. Should be able to split this pickup at the bridge. 4 wires, r, g, b, w, ground. Not sure how to make this work. To many different color wires!! I think I should have researched this before I bought the pickup. Help !!!!


Welcome.

Don't panic, we'll get you through this.

A few questions: Do you have a full sized HB in the bridge now? Does it have 4 conductor wires? What brand is it?

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Post subject: Re: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:18 pm
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No. It is a single coil noiseless (n3). 3 wires.


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Post subject: Re: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:13 pm
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tmills wrote:
No. It is a single coil noiseless (n3). 3 wires.


Go to Fender's Product Support and locate the American Deluxe Stratocaster HSS wiring diagram. This will be the diagram you'll be following.

Per the diagram, the full sized, Fender HB's color codes are different from that of the Duncan's. The following converts the Fender HB's wire colors to the Duncan:

The Fender green wire = the Duncan black wire.
The Fender and Duncan white wires are the same.
The Fender black wire = the Duncan red wire.
The Fender red wire = the Duncan green wire.

If upon wiring up the Duncan, you find it is out of phase with the N3s. simply reverse the Duncan's black and green wires.

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Post subject: Re: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:25 am
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Thank you !!! I'll give it a try


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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:50 am
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Thank you !!! I'll give it a try


Glad to help! :D

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Post subject: Re: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:58 am
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I am essentially trying to do the same thing as the original poster. I have a 2011 American Deluxe Strat with 3 single coil N3 pickups. I am not thrilled with the thin bridge pickup tone so I wanted to try to fatten it up by putting in a humbucker.

I ordered a Seymour Duncan JB Model SH-4 pickup. I am trying to figure out how to get it wired, but have tried two different wiring configurations with no success. I am wondering if there is an S-1 Switch schematic out there that actually shows what happens when the button is pushed in/pushed out?

Also, I don't see how to wire in the new Seymour Duncan JB pickup from the American Deluxe HSS Strat diagram that is recommended above. Could anyone provide additional details? Thanks!!!


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Post subject: Re: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:15 am
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getterberg wrote:
I am essentially trying to do the same thing as the original poster. I have a 2011 American Deluxe Strat with 3 single coil N3 pickups. I am not thrilled with the thin bridge pickup tone so I wanted to try to fatten it up by putting in a humbucker.

I ordered a Seymour Duncan JB Model SH-4 pickup. I am trying to figure out how to get it wired, but have tried two different wiring configurations with no success. I am wondering if there is an S-1 Switch schematic out there that actually shows what happens when the button is pushed in/pushed out?

Also, I don't see how to wire in the new Seymour Duncan JB pickup from the American Deluxe HSS Strat diagram that is recommended above. Could anyone provide additional details? Thanks!!!


Welcome!

In answer to your first question, go here:

In answer to your second question, with the Duncan, solder the red and white wires together and insulate them. Solder the bare and black wire to ground. The green wire is your hot. IF you find that the Duncan is out of phase with the Fender pickup(s), simply reverse the Duncan's black and green wires.

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Post subject: Re: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:23 am
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Martian wrote:
Welcome!

In answer to your first question, go here:

In answer to your second question, with the Duncan, solder the red and white wires together and insulate them. Solder the bare and black wire to ground. The green wire is your hot. IF you find that the Duncan is out of phase with the Fender pickup(s), simply reverse the Duncan's black and green wires.

Wow, thank you for the quick response! So far in my previous 2 attempts I have not soldered the red and white wires together, so I will give this a go and see what happens.

Also, I don't see anything when you said for your first question, go here...the link doesn't show up?

One last question...if I do what you are describing above, am I gonna get the same behavior as the American Deluxe HSS Strat? Meaning will the pickup switching do the same thing as the last page of this diagram: http://support.fender.com/service_diagrams/stratocaster/010-1500_02A_SISD.pdf


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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:40 am
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getterberg wrote:
Martian wrote:
Welcome!

In answer to your first question, go here:

In answer to your second question, with the Duncan, solder the red and white wires together and insulate them. Solder the bare and black wire to ground. The green wire is your hot. IF you find that the Duncan is out of phase with the Fender pickup(s), simply reverse the Duncan's black and green wires.

Wow, thank you for the quick response! So far in my previous 2 attempts I have not soldered the red and white wires together, so I will give this a go and see what happens.

Also, I don't see anything when you said for your first question, go here...the link doesn't show up?

One last question...if I do what you are describing above, am I gonna get the same behavior as the American Deluxe HSS Strat? Meaning will the pickup switching do the same thing as the last page of this diagram: http://support.fender.com/service_diagrams/stratocaster/010-1500_02A_SISD.pdf


You're quite welcome. Here's the link:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/I ... ystem.aspx

To your last question, yes. However, it may be easier for you to go "shot for shot" with your above listed Fender diagram and being able to see the Fender vs. Duncan HB color codes. See this link:

http://www.diyguitarmods.com/pickup-color-codes.php

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Post subject: Re: fender deluxe s1 switching
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:24 am
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Thanks Martian, this is exactly what I was looking for! :D


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getterberg wrote:
Thanks Martian, this is exactly what I was looking for! :D


Glad to help. Good luck! :D

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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:06 am
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Ok, so I went ahead and soldered the red and white wires from the Seymour Duncan JB together. I soldered the bare and the green wire to ground (I already had the green to ground and decided to try this way first) and black wire to the 5-way switch (guessed on which terminal to use on 5-way switch). The JB pickup I put in seems to be working correctly. However, the pickup selector switch is definitely not giving me the same pickup combinations as the American Deluxe HSS. And how could it? Soldering the red and white wires together basically means you are giving up the ability to split out the coils of the humbucker, right? I mean, in an Am Dlx HSS some of your pickup positions are combining one of your single coil pickups with one coil from your humbucker (see http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/attachments/stratocaster-discussion-forum/26261d1314389195t-fender-strat-deluxe-hss-s1-switching-s1.jpg). Based on my understanding, this isn't possible if you solder your red and white wires together.

So I decided to take a look at the wiring diagrams that Fender provides to see if I could figure it out on my own. However, the diagram they provide for my original 3-single coil American Deluxe Strat isn't even 100% accurate to begin with. The colors don't match up with the diagram. So I am confused to begin with. Looked at the diagram for the Am Dlx HSS strat and it's not close to what I have either. Wish Fender would have taken their time with these diagrams and at least color coded them.

So as of now, at least my pickups are all functioning. The neck and middle pickup still function the same as they originally did, except when you use a pickup selector position that combines either with the bridge pickup, it always combines it with the whole humbucker. There is never any coil splitting with the humbucker. And the S1 switching works with the neck and middle pickups (and combinations involving neck and middle), but it does nothing for the bridge pickup.


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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:28 am
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getterberg wrote:
...Soldering the red and white wires together basically means you are giving up the ability to split out the coils of the humbucker, right?


Yes.

getterberg wrote:
...in an Am Dlx HSS some of your pickup positions are combining one of your single coil pickups with one coil from your humbucker. Based on my understanding, this isn't possible if you solder your red and white wires together.


That is correct.

getterberg wrote:
...There is never any coil splitting with the humbucker. And the S1 switching works with the neck and middle pickups (and combinations involving neck and middle), but it does nothing for the bridge pickup.


Separate the Duncan's red and white wires. Again, look at the color conversation of the Fender vs. Duncan HB lead wires as I've described above and follow the Fender diagram for the results you require.

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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:57 am
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Martian wrote:
getterberg wrote:
...Soldering the red and white wires together basically means you are giving up the ability to split out the coils of the humbucker, right?


Yes.

getterberg wrote:
...in an Am Dlx HSS some of your pickup positions are combining one of your single coil pickups with one coil from your humbucker. Based on my understanding, this isn't possible if you solder your red and white wires together.


That is correct.

Ok thanks for confirming for me :)

Martian wrote:
getterberg wrote:
...There is never any coil splitting with the humbucker. And the S1 switching works with the neck and middle pickups (and combinations involving neck and middle), but it does nothing for the bridge pickup.


Separate the Duncan's red and white wires. Again, look at the color conversation of the Fender vs. Duncan HB lead wires as I've described above and follow the Fender diagram for the results you require.

Easier said than done considering what Fender gives you in terms of wiring diagrams :shock:. Those things can be hard to follow. I think I'm gonna spend some hours trying to figure out exactly what's going on with these wires. I'll try to make up a diagram and post it. I just wish Fender would release some color diagrams so you could follow where all the wires are going!


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