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Post subject: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:43 pm
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I recently bought a used MIM LPB Fender Strat HSS with Floyd Rose. It didn't come with a buyers guide so I'm asking some questions here.

1. What should the string height be on the neck?

2. What should the string height be to pick ups?

3. The neck plate on the back of the guitar has a hole and what looks like a nut inside. What is this used for and if it's some type of adjustment what is the correct set up?

4. Does the Floyd Rose have any height adjustments and if yes what is the suggested height?

5. Does the Floyd Rose have any individual string height adjustments? If yes where is it? When looking at string level from the side I notice all my strings are almost all at the same height. All my other guitars you can clearly see the difference in height between strings. Is this the way it's supposed to be on a Floyd Rose?

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:10 pm
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Check the several "How-to guides" for setup tips, including basic Strat setup and locking tremolo setup. While there are no individual string height adjustments on a FR, there are two screws to adjust the height of the bridge with each side independent of the other.

http://www.fender.com/support/articles/?section=articles&category=how-to-guides

Select an owners manual from this list.

http://www.fender.com/support/articles/?section=downloads&category=product-manuals

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:22 am
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NYStan wrote:

3. The neck plate on the back of the guitar has a hole and what looks like a nut inside. What is this used for and if it's some type of adjustment what is the correct set up?



I'm intrigued. Can you please post some photos? Sounds like a micro tilt however it shouldn't have this...

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:54 am
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I was in a rush it's not a great pic but here it is.

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I contacted the site support about an owners manual but they said there is none for this guitar. They did send me diagrams for STANDARD STRAT HSS w/ LOCKING TREM 113-4700. It's very similar to the 1 in the link below which shows the hole in the back neck plate.

You can also see the hole in this diagram.
http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... D_SISD.pdf

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:50 am
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Sorry to be a pain mate, can you post more pics of the guitar? I'm thinking perhaps a MIM sambora signature.. Unless it has an aftermarket neckplate..

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:57 pm
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No problem took a few pics but they are not very clear. If you need clearer pics I can do them over the weekend. 8)

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What looks like a crack is actually a hair from my dog. :D
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I'm still trying to figure out why the plate has this hole?
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I photo smudged the numbers on the back of the head stock, not sure if anyone post those numbers.
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Can't get a really good pic of how straight the strings are but this comes close. Is this the way it's supposed to be?
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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:54 pm
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Blertles is right, isn't he - isn't that the MIM Sambora? Good catch, Blertles. :)

And good catch too, NYStan. Regarding the string action and pickup height: that's all the same as on any other Strat and the manuals already linked to will guide you on the factory specs for those things.

The hole in the neck plate is a micro-tilt adjuster. I didn't know MIM guitars could come with that. Assuming your guitar doesn't just have the wrong neck plate on it, then inside is a mechanism for tilting the neck so the heel end raises a bit in relation to the headstock. The same effect as shimming the neck - but done with an allen key instead.

Good advice would be never to touch it. I've never seen a modern Strat that actually needed the neck shimmed: accurate production methods make it unnecessary. Though I have seen guitars where people tinkered with the micro-tilt for no good reason and made the instrument far harder to set up well as a result. I suspect the only reason that gizmo still exists is that if Fender took it away people would complain they were cutting corners.

It's an oddity: forget about it.

Lastly, there are people here who know Floyds much better than me. I'll leave them to talk to about that bit of your question.

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:52 pm
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Ceri wrote:
The hole in the neck plate is a micro-tilt adjuster. I didn't know MIM guitars could come with that. Assuming your guitar doesn't just have the wrong neck plate on it, then inside is a mechanism for tilting the neck so the heel end raises a bit in relation to the headstock. The same effect as shimming the neck - but done with an allen key instead.

Good advice would be never to touch it...


I also didn't know that any of the MIM's (save for the 70's reissue) actually had the Micro-tilt installed, but they do - at least this is the case with my MIM Deluxe Active Jazz V - have the small metal contact plate at then end of the neck which makes them "Micro-Tilt Ready". As for not touching it.....well it's a quick way to lower the action.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:38 pm
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I don't think it could be an MIM Sambora - the serial number is an "MX11xxxxxx" which means it had to be built sometime between mid-2011 and mid-2012. The MIM Sambora was long gone by then. That being said I can't explain the micro-tilt on the neck plate.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:42 pm
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Ceri, definitely not the wrong plate. I tried a few allen keys and sure enough 1 fit nice and snug, didn't want to turn it as I don't want to knock anything off. When I change the strings I will do any adjustments needed.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:35 am
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I have the exact guitar in Black that ill post pictures of to compare. Off with the missus to see the movies tonight though.. :wink:

I'm wondering at what point however did they install a micro tilt on MIM standards :?


Pictures to come... :wink:

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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:07 am
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NYStan wrote:
5. Does the Floyd Rose have any individual string height adjustments? If yes where is it? When looking at string level from the side I notice all my strings are almost all at the same height. All my other guitars you can clearly see the difference in height between strings. Is this the way it's supposed to be on a Floyd Rose?


Nope - no way of adjusting individual string heights on a Floyd aside from shimming individual saddles, which sometimes works, and sometimes ends in unpleasantness, depending on the exact trem. They did at one point offer a preset factory shim block to alter the heights of the middle four strings to match the smaller radius of Strats etc, but not sure if they still do.

The radius of the bridge is preset from the factory to somewhere between 12" and 16", hence why they appear to be on the same level, as most guitars with double locking trems have very flat boards. I've never had a Fender with an OE Floyd, so not sure if they shim them to match the 9.5" radius of your guitar or not. I'd hope so, or that's a bit of an oversight!

Edit after a little research - They apparently do 10" radius Floyds now, which should be a very close match indeed and not require shimming. I assume that's what Fender use, but one of those should certainly appear to have a very visible curve in the string heights, certainly compared to a classic Floyd.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:36 am
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John C wrote:
I don't think it could be an MIM Sambora - the serial number is an "MX11xxxxxx" which means it had to be built sometime between mid-2011 and mid-2012. The MIM Sambora was long gone by then. That being said I can't explain the micro-tilt on the neck plate.


It's an MIM Floyd Rose Standard Strat.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:22 am
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so I'm back now. Just seen G.I Joe and at best it was average- best part about the movie was falling asleep in the cinema. Never seen such dribble, I guess they are struggling with that franchise.

Ok, so here's my guitar- same model but in Black and 2008 model:

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Also interesting to note, my MIM has a micro tilt hole. At best, this probably serves as a warm hidey-hole for a small spider:

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So when did this happen, and why did my eyesight fail to see this until now?! :oops: I guess it goes to show some quality and attention to some finer details that have been missed on MIM models of yesteryears.. And Ceri is right. A fairly useless little doo-dacky but a little extra nonetheless.

Well played, Fender. Well played.

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5. Does the Floyd Rose have any individual string height adjustments? If yes where is it? When looking at string level from the side I notice all my strings are almost all at the same height. All my other guitars you can clearly see the difference in height between strings. Is this the way it's supposed to be on a Floyd Rose?




Hard to capture in this picture whether it is shimmed or not, I'll have to look at this with better daylight. But there does seem to be a radius of some type on the saddles. This is until I get some better light and a string change (which is due) is up for interpretation:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Strat HSS w/ Floyd Rose Questions???
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:16 pm
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Blertles, yes that looks like the same guitar. :mrgreen: What model guitar? Is it this guitar in the link below?

http://www.fender.com/guitars/stratocas ... g-tremolo/

I don't see anything in the specs that mention the micro tilt. I wonder why Fender wouldn't mention it in the specs.

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