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Post subject: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:53 am
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I was wondering if anyone had experience with a similar issue.

Two days ago I plugged in and noticed position 3 of the 5 way switch isn't producing sound. Positions 2 and 4 still produce sound. When the s-1 switch is engaged, none of the 5 way switch positions produce sound.

I called fender, and they explained that electrical issues are only warrantied for 1 year. My guitar is 2 years old.

Any ideas? Middle pickup? S-1 switch? Suggestions? Is this common?

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:34 am
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Can you confirm if you get any sound with the S1 down and the pickup selector set to the bridge position? Looking at the service diagram this is the only position with the S1 engaged that does not use the mid pickup. If you get sound here then at a guess ( and without metering etc it is only a guess) you have a fault with the mid pickup.
If you are not familiar with wiring etc get someone who is to look at it.
Of course there is no harm lifting the pickguard just to check you do not have a wire that has come loose etc.
Hope this helps in some small way :D


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:02 pm
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Thanks for the reply. I can confirm that with the S1 switch down(engaged) none of the 5 positions produce any sound. With the S1 set to off, I get sound in 1,2,4,5.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:17 pm
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Ok that is odd. You mention that with the S1 not engaged you get sounds in position 2 and 4. In these positions if you tap the mid pickup poles with a screwdriver do you get a thud? Compare it by tapping either the bridge in position 4 or the neck in position 2.
This may give you a clue but in reality you probably need to lift the guard and start eliminating possibilities by using a meter.... :D


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:47 am
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I found this in another thread. This is the wiring for my deluxe hss. From my description and looking at this below (I am terrible with anything electrical), it seems anything that involves the middle pickup doesn't work. Since the S1 puts everything in series, and all involve the middle pup, then none of the positions work. Position 2 and 4 still work because they run in parallel. Could the middle pickup just die? This guitar doesn't leave the house.

S1 swithc off
Position 5
Neck pick up only tone 1 only
Pos 4
neck and middle pup parallel
tone 1 and tone 2
pos 3
middle pup only
tone 2 only
pos 2
middle and bridge parallel
tone 2 only
pos 1
bridge pup only
tone 2 only

S1 on
Pos 5
Neck and mid pups in series
tone 1 only
pos 45
neck and middle pups in series
tone 1 & tone 2 with special cap on neck pup
pos 3
neck in series middle and bridghe in parallel
tone 2 only
pos 2
middle and bridge pups in series
special cap on bridge pup
tone 2 only
pos 1
middle and bridge pups in series
tone 2 only


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:15 am
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Based upon what I've read so far, I'm of the opinion that your middle pickup is shorted out somewhere. The two most common reasons are: Either the pickup itself has $@!& the bed or the terminal it is soldered to on the selector switch is bottoming out with the guitar's body which has shielding paint which in turn, is causing the pickup to short out. Of course, there are other possibilities but I'd look towards the above two scenarios first. If you unscrew and lift the pickguard up from the guitar and then find that the electronics resume functioning correctly, then you know it is the latter of the two.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:33 pm
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As Martian suggests it could well be a short particularly since you get nothing with the S1 engaged. The five way runs close to the shielding.
In addition one mans position 5 is another's position 1. I was referring to the fender hss diagram which in this case calls position 1 as the neck and shows position 5 with S1 engaged as bridge humbucker only which may not be correct. Funny some other diagrams refer to it the other way around...
Anyway the challenge is to lift the lid so to speak! :D


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:39 am
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Thanks for all of the replies. I will keep you all posted.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:56 am
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So I took off the pickguard and tested to see if it worked while not sitting in the cavity. Didn't change a thing. I gently tapped the pickup with the screwdriver and it didn't make a peep. the other positions and pickups did.

I looked at all the connections (solder points) and everything looked in tact.

I am going to borrow a voltage meter, but im not sure what to check for.

I noticed 3 wires comming out of the pickup. i believe they were black, blue, and green. D

How can i check if the pickup is damaged? If its a simple replace and solder, i probably can handle it. But if its more complex, should i just take this over to the luthier? i am thinking of ordering the mid N3 just to have it ready in case i need it. I can always return if thats not the problem.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:12 pm
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Hi there .... first step take a few close up photos of the exposed pickguard.
If you break a wire etc you will then have something to refer to.
The next step is inspect the unit carefully checking that nothing is amiss e.g. No broken wires or bare wires touching another terminal. This is particularly important around the suspect pickup. Make sure the green which is an earth does not connect directly to the black or blue terminals. This could produce the issue. Watch out for small solder bits shorting anything which should not be present.
Next set your meter to the resistance or ohms setting.
Measure across the blue and black at the pickup base. It should read somewhere around the 6.7 k ohm mark. I do not have an N3 to compare but anything too high above 15 odd k and anything too low a few ohms is crook. Compare it to the neck pickup.
If it measures wrong remove the pickup and check again. If it is still wrong then it may well be the pickup. However if it measures ok the fault may lie elsewhere or it may still be the pickup but it is intermittent.
If it appears to be the pickup then try the new one. You may need quite a bit of heat to separate out the green wire from the other green wires but try not to overdo it. If you are just trialing the new pickup you could temporarily leave the green free to save the hassle but it should be connected for a permanent installation.
Good luck!


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:24 am
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Here is a quick update. I took it to my local lutheir. He checked the pickup and the pickup was good. When everything was out it seemed to test okay tapping with a Screwdriver. When everything went back in, it didn't work. He says it has to be the s1 so he is ordering the switch and he will replace when it arrives. He mentioned that it's not uncommon for s1 switches to fail. Any other deluxe owners out there had this problem also?


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:32 am
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stratalex wrote:
Here is a quick update. I took it to my local lutheir. He checked the pickup and the pickup was good. When everything was out it seemed to test okay tapping with a Screwdriver. When everything went back in, it didn't work. He says it has to be the s1 so he is ordering the switch and he will replace when it arrives. He mentioned that it's not uncommon for s1 switches to fail. Any other deluxe owners out there had this problem also?


The S-1 switch is as dependable as the pickups so you're positively not alone.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:15 pm
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Here is an update.

My guitar tech asked me to order the S1- that's what he narrowed the problem down to.

Yesterday i decided to lift up the pickguard and see if I could get a sound to come from the pickup. It did. When i pushed it back down, it would silence again. So I removed it again and tried to see if there was any loose wires or anything that it could be hitting. No luck.

BY the time i gave up and put it back in to restring, i couldn't get it to make anymore sound. Something is also bumping up the pickguard when its placed in. i tried looking for cables in the way and so fourth with no luck. honestly its got a lot of cables in a tight space.

I am re posting this to see if anyone has any other clue which cable it might be. I remember some people suggesting a short. And perhaps using some electrical tape. There are a few bare wires inside. I am also including an image of the wiring.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:30 pm
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About a month ago I sat down with an American Deluxe. Felt great, sounded great. Then I started playing around with the different positions.
Bottom line is, some positions produced no sound with the S1 switch down. All positions sounded fine with the S1 switch up.
The store manager said he'd be happy to fix it AFTER I bought it. Walked away from it and never went back to that store.
After doing some research I was told that S1 problems are tricky to solve and best left to a Fender Certified tech.
Just my 2 cents, hope this works out for you.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe HSS Pickup/Switch Issue
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:40 am
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I was going to make a remark about a dealer who wouldn't repair a guitar hanging on his wall, but I think it goes better unsaid. He wouldn't get my business.


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