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Post subject: Changing DiMarzio's area pups for Fat 50's
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:45 am
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I'm thinking of changing my Dimarzio noiseless area pups (58, 67, 61) with fenders Fat 50's, any ideas, support, dissuasion?

I don't dislike the Dimarzio's but I've missed the quack of real single coil pups I had prior to the noiseless pup mania ....

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Post subject: Re: Changing DiMarzio's area pups for Fat 50's
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:21 am
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Once you go noiseless you never go back... I have the same set, I wouldn't part with them for any custom shop set...

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Post subject: Re: Changing DiMarzio's area pups for Fat 50's
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:03 pm
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I know ... I just miss that old school sound :)

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Post subject: Re: Changing DiMarzio's area pups for Fat 50's
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:30 pm
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I think it depends on what genre you play and what kind of other gear you use. For example, if you play mostly blues or early classic rock and you use a real sweet old vintage amplifier and plug sraight into the amp with no effects then you will definitely find something to appreciate in a set of high quality true single-coil pups. You can find a whole range of sounds with just your right hand technique and the guitar volume and tone controls. If you were going that route then you'd also want to look into Lawrence and Fralin. However if you're using a modern inexpensive amplifier like a HotRod or something and you use effects I think the difference in tone will become much less noticable and what's worse you won't be able to handle all the noise because let's face it, you are used to noiseless pups now. You've been spoiled and the noise will drive you batty. Guys do put up with it in order to get that tone they're after but in all honesty, unless they're running an extremely simple but extremely high quality rig like I just described then I think they are suffereing for nothing.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:37 pm
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Im running three different strats with three different setups right now each has a different style bridge humbucker.
In my 08 American Deluxe I am using all Dimarzio the Injecter Neck the Area 61 middle and a D'Activater bridge.
I really felt the Injecter & Area stacked single coils were the best untill I aquired a couple more Strats.
First I got the Highway 1 an 09 with Fender Humbucker and Alnico 3 single coils.
Then I got a 89 American Standard with Alnico 5 single coils and I installed the Dimarzio Super Distortion S in the bridge.
We play originals that resemble earlier Aerosmith to BLS
I cant decide what single coils I like best but its not the Dimarzio stacked ones.
When you switch to the neck during a solo they dont sound nearly as good as the real single coils I think.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:26 pm
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[quote="DetroitBlues"]Once you go noiseless you never go back... I have the same set, I wouldn't part with them for any custom shop set...[/quote

I went noiseless on the advice of a friend, and I was never totally happy with them. I ended up buyng a (new) 2009 Strat Deluxe, a fairly nice guitar by many accounts, but I never bonded with the PUs (or the neck). I was constantly researching PU options, going to web sites, forums, talking to staff at stores, etc.

I then decided to part with the guitar and use the money to fund something that really satisfied me. I had no idea what that was. I set out with either a 2013 Strat Deluxe V neck (different noiseless than the 2009) or some Fender artist model in mind.

I ended up comparing a 2013 Strat Deluxe V neck and 2011 Custon Shop Deluxe with master built custom shop John Cruz PUs The difference was like hot and cold. The CS Strat's PUs had far more body, presence, character and depth than the N3s, which sounded muffled and dull by comparison.

I'm not totally sure I love the PUs in the CS Deluxe that I walked away with, but I am willing to concede that I may just have itchy ears. The 2nd and 4th positions are RWRP so they are as quiet as you'd get on N3s. As for the amount of noise on the 1st, 2nd, and 5th positions, it's not worth complaining about. What you get in exchange is a breadth of tones that seem to breath and have an airieness to them that hum cancelling does not give. I'd give the real McCoy's a try before writing them off because someone tells you that they are noisey. I'm picking up a set of CS 69s which are as vintage as they get. No RWRP. I want to hear what so many great guitarists use to hear, that gave them the inspiration to be great guitarists.


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Post subject: Re: Changing DiMarzio's area pups for Fat 50's
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:15 am
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Thank you all for your replies, it's much appreciated,
I think that noiseless pickups have their place no doubt as Detroit blues said, I used them from 2009 onwards in my Am Dlx v neck because I didn't like the SCN's that came with it, and because I had neon lights at home at that time, so the interference was huge on true single coils. The DM Area Pups were real quite.

Having said that, you do sacrifice something like what Donny Craven implied, and there was an audible difference between this AM Dlx with the Dimarzio's and an older standard that I had with CS 69's. Unfortunately, I don't have a vintage amp, I have a Blues Junior tweed, a 65 Reverb Dlx RI, and a solid sate Crate. So I do agree with BMW-KTM that the difference gets washed away once you put on pedals, but I still prefer to play clean with a tiny winy bit of gain. I mainly play blues and early classic rock as he said.

Jared, for some reason I wouldn't buy the CS 69 again, they had this dark character to them, that didn't suit my personal taste that much, It may have been the set I had, because they sounded better on you tube.

I was also impressed by the new fender 65 pickups? any experiences there ?
There are also the Kleine 65 pickups as well
http://www.kleinpickups.com/p-123-1965- ... ckups.aspx

for me the 65 pups are the closest you get to Hendrix tonewise.
Thank to all of you and please keep the advice coming
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:13 am
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HNSFury wrote:
Thank you all for your replies, it's much appreciated,
I think that noiseless pickups have their place no doubt as Detroit blues said, I used them from 2009 onwards in my Am Dlx v neck because I didn't like the SCN's that came with it, and because I had neon lights at home at that time, so the interference was huge on true single coils. The DM Area Pups were real quite.

Having said that, you do sacrifice something like what Donny Craven implied, and there was an audible difference between this AM Dlx with the Dimarzio's and an older standard that I had with CS 69's. Unfortunately, I don't have a vintage amp, I have a Blues Junior tweed, a 65 Reverb Dlx RI, and a solid sate Crate. So I do agree with BMW-KTM that the difference gets washed away once you put on pedals, but I still prefer to play clean with a tiny winy bit of gain. I mainly play blues and early classic rock as he said.

Jared, for some reason I wouldn't buy the CS 69 again, they had this dark character to them, that didn't suit my personal taste that much, It may have been the set I had, because they sounded better on you tube.

I was also impressed by the new fender 65 pickups? any experiences there ?
There are also the Kleine 65 pickups as well
http://www.kleinpickups.com/p-123-1965- ... ckups.aspx

for me the 65 pups are the closest you get to Hendrix tonewise.
Thank to all of you and please keep the advice coming
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I haven't heard of the Fender 65 PUs. They aren't listed on their web site. Where did you see or her them?


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Post subject: Re: Changing DiMarzio's area pups for Fat 50's
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:28 am
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They aren't sold separately, they come stock in the Vintage 65 RI. There was a CS 65 as well, but I was referring to the RI,

http://www.fender.com/en-DE/guitars/str ... atocaster/

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:35 pm
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I've been thinking about trying some areas in my 70's reissue. You Tube videos sound pretty good and I'm looking at some good noiseless options, so I am considering the areas. Please share your comparisons with me.


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Post subject: Re: Changing DiMarzio's area pups for Fat 50's
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:44 pm
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The Dimarzio area pups are quite decent, but IMHO you sacrifice tone with stacked pups. I think they are second best in the noiseless category AFTER Kinman pups which are quite expensive. There might be newer pickups out there that I don't know of.

In general nothing beats real single coils, but then again, you still have the hum.

I haven't bought the fat 50's yet, and I'm still thinking of going with klein pickups, a 65 or 62 or a 57. But these are normal single coils made to resemble the older pups. Check the website its well worth it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:40 am
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HNSFury wrote:
The Dimarzio area pups are quite decent, but IMHO you sacrifice tone with stacked pups. I think they are second best in the noiseless category AFTER Kinman pups which are quite expensive. There might be newer pickups out there that I don't know of.

I have the Kinman K9 system in one of my Strats. I bought it at the same time as I bought my first set if Kinman pickups, the Woodstock set. I found them to be a little bit of an improvement over any of the Fender Noisless pups I'd previously tried but they still failed to satisfy me. The bridge pup in particular was not so great. The hotter Woodstock Plus (Hx85) which I bought later was less inspiring than the first. So I bought a few more of his pups over the following year and a half or so and did the mix-n-match game for a while. I ended up switching to the Dimarzio Areas on the recommendations of Martian and Arjay and I am happy enough with them that I've completely lost my itch to try anything new. I would place Kinmans 2nd after Dimarzio Areas. I love the K9 system and now I rig up any pups I want to try with ends to plug into it. The only pups of his I would now consider trying might be the stacked P90s but I would definitely get another switch & harness system.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:54 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
HNSFury wrote:
The Dimarzio area pups are quite decent, but IMHO you sacrifice tone with stacked pups. I think they are second best in the noiseless category AFTER Kinman pups which are quite expensive. There might be newer pickups out there that I don't know of.

I have the Kinman K9 system in one of my Strats. I bought it at the same time as I bought my first set if Kinman pickups, the Woodstock set. I found them to be a little bit of an improvement over any of the Fender Noisless pups I'd previously tried but they still failed to satisfy me. The bridge pup in particular was not so great. The hotter Woodstock Plus (Hx85) which I bought later was less inspiring than the first. So I bought a few more of his pups over the following year and a half or so and did the mix-n-match game for a while. I ended up switching to the Dimarzio Areas on the recommendations of Martian and Arjay and I am happy enough with them that I've completely lost my itch to try anything new. I would place Kinmans 2nd after Dimarzio Areas. I love the K9 system and now I rig up any pups I want to try with ends to plug into it. The only pups of his I would now consider trying might be the stacked P90s but I would definitely get another switch & harness system.


Thanks for the post... I'm sure you know better. I'm currently happy with the DiMarzio's when playing alone, but once you get to jam with someone I feel that the Area pups are a little tiny and thin or lack lustre somehow, maybe its my setup, YMMV. It usually is ok with a little bit of EQing though. Have you tried the Klein pickups (normal single coils) ?

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HNSFury wrote:
Have you tried the Klein pickups (normal single coils) ?

No, sorry. I got nuthin on those ones but I can say for certain that a vintage re-issue Strat a friend of mine owns which has a set of Fralins in it is very likely the sweetest sounding Strat I've played, maybe ever. I'm almost tempted to try some in my Korean Strat which I use as my test-bed for new stuff but I'm kinda hooked on the ability to run pedals without noise. It would be hard to go back. Perhaps I'll have to buy another guitar.

Hey, wait! Are you trying to give me GAS on purpose?

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Have you tried the Klein pickups (normal single coils) ?

Hey, wait! Are you trying to give me GAS on purpose?



It's just a reflection :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: of my situation .... :oops: sorry !!!

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