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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:56 am
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^^^^
This
Absolutely true and I want to add the reading of the coil is in KOhm(!). If you get an Ohm reading the coil is part shorted or fried. Speaker coils have Ohm readings.
The KOhm reading of a pickup coil shows the impedance of the wire, nothing else.
If you know which wire is used you can say how many winds it has on the bobbin.
You can have a thick wire low amount of winds and still have a high reading in KOhm. No matter what magnet is used for the pickup (even high magnetic cermaic magnet) you have a low output pickup.
It is the number of winds and the strength of the magnet. Number of winds is more important.
In the end this is all OT because Donny just asked for the specs of the pickups.
Sorry, Donny can´t help you with specs. Maybe Fender(consumerrelations@fender.com) is of help?


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:17 am
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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:20 am
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Thanks Robin gonna call them tomorrow

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:18 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
Well to sum it up I was trying for a kinda Black Crowes sound from this strat.

So you wanna sound like Audley Freed (or Rich Robinson or Jeff Cease) and you figure a pup swap will get you there. Am I reading that correctly?

If I am then amps and hands might get you there. Might. You haven't said what kind of amp you're using. Your hands are your hands. You sound how you sound. There's not much you can do about your hands without investing a whole lot of time teaching yourself a different way to touch the guitar. There are no bolt-on solutions for your hands. Amps have a huge impact on tone. Those are an easy step in the right direction. Pickups are WAY behind both hands and amps in terms of having an effect on tone. WAY behind. WAY. Let me say that one more time just in case it's not sinking in.... WAY behind. You are likely obsessing over the wrong things but hey, it's your life.

It's your money. Spend it how you like ... but buying 20 different buckers ain't gonna get you there.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:48 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
DC resistance has little or no bearing on pickup output levels.

Do you actually know anything about these humbuckers?

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:05 pm
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Hi BMW-KTM,
How ya doin?
You know its probably my fault I stayed up late drinking Energy Mio.
I included alot of other details that confused my real question.

My real issue was...

The Fender Standard Humbucker 0050955000 7.85 Ohm,
and the Fender Hot Rod Bridge Pickup 005436000 7.85 Ohm

Whats the difference in these two pickups?
Are they the same pickup?
Does Anyone know?

My Guess is just ones Alnico 5 and one is Alnico 2
Thats my guess... If there is even any difference.

But Fender has many other times taken the same exact pickup, The DH-1,
and renamed it the Diamond back the Atomic etc. Gave it a new part number and its the same dang pickup.

So I wondered whats up with these two.

The Black Crowes Reference was just a tone picture.
Basically a more vintage tone and I achieved it.
I was replacing a Dimarzio High Output Ceramic Humbucker.
I have 2 strats that do that already.
We are ramping down with age leaving the BLS Pantera for the Aerosmith Crowes GnR sound these days.

This is my amp

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Line 6 Spider Valve Mark II 100 watt tube Digital Modeling head with a 4-12 Vintage Celestion cab.
It is probably one of the most versatile amps in the world and most amps that exist are in there.

But yeah basically I accomplished the goal with what I had in front of me, looking for a more Dimarzio PAF tone out of the Humbuckers I had.
They all basically look the same except the Enforcer black one.
I was trying to identify them through thier number tags on the back and readings and catalog them.
Fender should really do that for us and they dont.

I based a biased opinion off the Fender DH-1 that I dont like.
But now I know they make others that I actually like.

I like the Standard/Hot Rod
I dont like the DH-1/Diamond Back/Atomic
I like the Enforcer for a Floyd Rose Strat

Anyway...

GilgaFrank will probably post the same thing again because he is clueless about this stuff and someone told him that rule so he lives by it, I dont know.

I personally with an Ohm meter, knowing the magnet and seeing the pole pieces can tell what a humbucker will kinda of sound like.
Thats without hooking it up.
But my old store sold Dimarzio EMG and Seymour Duncan. I tried everything in the store once in my stuff.
I also was the guy installing everyone elses so I test drove ALOT of them.

I am calling them tomorrow Robinstrat to answer that on question about those two pickups.
They will probably not know either.
It would be nice if they took the time to compile info on thier humbuckers.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:03 pm
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First the uncomfortable part.

You know .... a person can get ideas stuck in their heads and have a difficult time shaking them. You have alluded a couple of times now that you think GilgaFrank is just such a person, stuck on one idea but I think you are also such a person. Your comment about meters and magnets telling you how a pup will sound leads me to this idea. I don't wish to start a fight with you but I think I should give you some friendly advise. What you seem to not want to listen to is that there are a number of factors that determine the way a pickup behaves and it's more than just magnet strength and impedance. A lot more. There is merit in the comments made by GilgaFrank that you should prolly take more seriously rather than trying to make him out to be a fool.

Now to your question.

I don't think the DH1 and the Atomic are the same pup. I have no scientific evidence for that comment but I have owned two guitars with the DH1 and still have one. In fact it is my number one guitar which I play as much as all my other guitars combined. I am intimately aquainted with the sound and feel and response of the DH1 and even though I know many people don't like it much I do actually like it quite a lot. I like it well enough that I purchased a second one. I haven't decided what to do with it yet but it will get used. Any time I have tried an Atomic equipped guitar I instantly recognise that it behaves differently than either of my DH1 guitars. In my eyes this is indication enough that an Ohmeter reading prolly should not be the basis for assuming they are the same piece. That's about all the help I can be on that topic. Like I said, it may not be scientific but it is my experience and have found experience is often more valuable than theoretical knowledge; in life and in gear choices.

I think I may be able to shed some light on something else however. I once almost exclusively used and do still own a Line-6 amplifier. I bought it new in 1999 (AX2-212) when I was playing in a cover band. It was useful to me then because I was able to achieve close approximations of the 15 or so different classic guitar tones I needed to reproduce the general sound of the songs we played, all at the tap of my toe. I also came to appreciate the digital nature of the wah pedal with the FB4 Floorboard. It was far more linear and easier to to modulate than a real wah pedal. However all of that being said, none of my tones were particularly good despite continually tweaking them and improving them over the course of about 6 years. I got very good at tweaking it and I was able to wring the absolute best out of that amp by the time the band split up and yet it still never measured up to the tone and response of a real amp. I try the newer modelling amps once in a while to see if they are improving. I have to admit that some aspects are improving but they are still a far cry from real amps.

If you have ever read any of my other posts on this site you will know I am a strong advocate for spending the money on a real amp. I have spent countless dollars on inexpensive amplifiers in the past including some notable Fender models like the Blues Junior, Hotrod Deluxe and Blues Deville as well as a few other amp makers as well. None of them were ever able to satisfy that thirst for great tone. And make no mistake, the amp is more important to great tone than a pickup will ever be. I know that for an absolute fact.

If you are serious about getting somewhere within spitting distance of the Audley Freed/Black Crowes kind of sound you owe it to yourself to try a real amplifier. I suggest something in tweed like a Deluxe or a Bassman depending on what kind of volume you need. You will find you can get ALL of those amazing tones ... and a lot more ... with a great tweed amp and some judicious use of a guitar volume pot.

By the way, by tweed I mean more than just the covering on the amp.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:15 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
GilgaFrank wrote:
DC resistance has little or no bearing on pickup output levels.

Do you actually know anything about these humbuckers? cuz it dont seem like ya do. We got ya the first time.


Other than the one in my strat, I've never encountered them.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:27 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
GilgaFrank wrote:
DC resistance has little or no bearing on pickup output levels.

Do you actually know anything about these humbuckers? cuz it dont seem like ya do. We got ya the first time.


Ok then, I'll stop being flippant for one post and tell you that I found the DH-1 to be a very bright and comparatively low output humbucker with a very good split sound when combined with the single coil mid pickup. Nowhere near the output level of a Seymour Duncan JB, not even close but a lot tighter in the bass response and without the mush of midrange that the JB gave me. I found it gave the ash-bodied strat a really good sound for funk and compressed clean to mildly overdriven sounds where the peak in the upper midrange moved it away from the single coil strats I had in the mix. If you want extreme overdrive then it's not ideal though, the output is really a bit low to push an amp into mad saturated distortion.

Which is particularly confusing because it "ohms out" around 16 kOhms. Perhaps Bill Lawrence was right and DC resistance has little or no bearing on pickup output levels after all.

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Thank you GilgaFrank I am now impressed with you.
I found the DH-1 uncontrolable in a heavily overdrivin arena.
I am now entering into retro terratory with my band Pull Tabb
So I have to rethink my strat-agy if you will.

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:07 pm
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Thank you for getting back to me BMW-KTM

I will get back to you I have to get off here for now but will return shortly.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:13 pm
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I very much preferred the DH-1 to the Seymour Duncan JB but then I'm not an all-out distortion kinda guy. Fender's pickup philosophy with humbuckers seems to be to avoid the insane output levels and to go instead for slightly lower output but more versatile pickups. Although I haven't played any of the Blacktop guitars, those may be aimed more at the overdrive lovers of this world.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:28 pm
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None of these pickups are made in USA? How do you determine which Fender pickups are made in USA and which are outsourced?

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster Humbucker Specs - Anyone Know?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:04 pm
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artisan4 - The Dh-1 and the Black Enforcer were the only two humbuckers to my knowledge. None are currently I dont think.

If you look on ebay the older DH-1 and the Black Enforcer packages will have a Made in USA sticker on the back.
The "Standard" "Hot Rod" and white "Enforcers" Humbucker packages will have Made in Mexico stickers.

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Actually they are probably the same machines they just sent them to Mexico.
They are doing a good job on the humbuckers.
They also make the 5 and 3 way switches.
Fender is keeping a tighter quality control on these items IMO
I have been installing them in my own and others strats and have had no problems.

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:11 pm
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I applaud your admirable demonstration of restraint, Frank. Kudos, sir.

I agree the DH1 is a reasonably low output bucker and also that it is reasonably bright and just like you, I like it for those very reasons.

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