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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:50 pm
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ECREAMAYALLAYLA wrote:
In regards to Fender Strat Brat, are you saying that if I do end up getting the standard, it won't be versatile enough unless I brought in more guitars and gear in the future ?


No. On the contrary. I am saying the AmDlx is versatile, the S1 switch is a bonus, and the Standard as well as other Strats are very versatile as well. But to expect any Strat to be everything would be a stretch, hence the variety available here on the forum and elsewhere. A choice would have been easier when this ol' codger was a teen. Back then there were fewer Strat selections and it was more likely to choose a different guitar on occasion (think Mosrite versus Fender as an example), especially considering a more limited genre and efx were in development. Oh yeh, and then there were and still is 3 way switching and tone control variation.

For your purpose, versatility comes down to your choice of not only what pups you desire, but also how they mix together when switching, and how the tone controls function. Again, only you will know if your proposed axe will fill all your needs. There is no wrong or right. Unless you are going to mod your Strat, it will be, as you know from my reading your comments of what feels right, a choice of the overall package.

Perfection is either costly or comes with luck or both.

Whatever your choice, I'm sure it will suit you fine. Enjoy.

I also agree with Smokin' Frets (Dee) and others here who have all given good advice. If it's any consolation, I'd be willing to bet that most of us that enjoy our axes still drool over others that we don't or wish we did have. :D


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:17 pm
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if money is not a problem i would go for a fender custom shop..built how you want


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:55 pm
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FarrahnsMom wrote:
if money is not a problem i would go for a fender custom shop..built how you want


This is the answer, of all answers.


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:18 am
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Jared Purdy wrote:
FarrahnsMom wrote:
if money is not a problem i would go for a fender custom shop..built how you want


This is the answer, of all answers.


+1 :lol:

If money is not a problem, get Beck, Clapton, Trout or Mayer play for you.
You won't have to bother with playing yourself!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just kidding, guys!

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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:18 pm
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Smokin' Frets wrote:
ECREAMAYALLAYLA wrote:
considering an American Deluxe is what I'm aiming for

So, what strat purchase would you folks recommend?


Well, difficult question, everybody thinks different about this or that model.

All I can do is talk about my experience regarding my PERSONAL(!!) taste and opinion.

I bought an American Deluxe a couple of months ago.
Awesome guitar regarding quality and playability but I didn't like the sound compared to my other American Standards.

Those SCN (somarium cobalt noiseless) pickups sounded dull when played with the same amp settings I use for ALL(!!) my other guitars.
Engaging the S1 switch made it even worse!

I didn't bother to change pickups, I simply sold the guitar because I don't want to fiddle around with my amp settings whenever I change guitars. Getting a more brilliant sound could not be achieved by the guitar's controls, they were "full open" already, all tone controls at ten!

I'd say that if you want to have the very traditional Fender sound (which AGAIN is a matter of personal taste), then I'd go for a more traditional model, say: an American Standard.

Those SCN pickups don't do the job and if you buy another strat later again, you might have the same problem with the duller sound because when your Deluxe sounds "brilliant", the American Standard might sound too bright an gritty with the same settings.

The "dull effect" get's less when approaching "stage volume" but unless you live in a wooden hut in the Canadian forests, you might wanna play at "house levels" rather than gigging volume, I suppose? :wink:

The Deluxe neither worked for me, nore did it sound "traditional Fender" to me, even though there's a very clear stratocaster character still present.

Dunno if this helps you? After all, it's your(!) taste that counts.


I agree with you about the SCN. They are meant for a special type of sound, and Fender is not it.


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:58 pm
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paris wrote:

I bought an American Deluxe a couple of months ago.
Awesome guitar regarding quality and playability but I didn't like the sound compared to my other American Standards.

Those SCN (somarium cobalt noiseless) pickups sounded dull when played with the same amp settings I use for ALL(!!) my other guitars.


The 2010 - 2013 American Deluxe no longer uses SCN pickups. They are N3's. N3s differ from SCNs both in structure and performance. While I can't say much about SCNs, not having heard them, I have found the N3s to play well and they are Alnico rather than ceramic, apparently with more volume, and characteristics are different (some say there is a closer resemblance to original sound . . . maybe not exact, but closer).

I was once asked, as a percussionist also, who I thought was the best drummer. Whoo boy! Talk about an impossible question. Even if I made a list from fastest, loudest, most technical. best in his or her genre, and so on, there would be many other opinions. If you think picking a guitar is difficult, try buying traps with a budget. Appearance counts, playability counts, durability counts, flexability counts, and of course tones. Sound familiar? Noiseless doesn't come into drumming much, although many guitar players wish that were the case. :roll:

Trust your senses, Creamayallaylla.

There was a time when noise and hum were expected. That is less true today. We no longer have to listen to scratches, poor analog, poor digital, and such. Do we? Sure. But, we don't have to add crap to the sound. There is a plethora of equipment (both with guitars and amps, etc.) that proves that we can prevent it, and that this is the way of the future. A quieter (noiseless) guitar into noisey pedals and/or a miked amp, especially a great amp with it's own noise characteristics, would definitely benefit a PA for tweaking as an example. Sometimes cleaning the sound comes at a cost, so it is overlooked . . . we all can't be supergroups with an endless bank account and that's okay, because sometimes less is more.

Pickups will always be a bone of contention and preference. They all have a reason for existing. Some prefer the 60s versions, myself included, but they too have pluses and minuses. There is a reason why original vintage guitars are sought after and it is not purely nostalgia. Having played an original '62 Strat when it was new, I know that repros are not exactly the same, still some are better than others. If today's noiseless pups had been available back then, maybe guitarists would be knocking the doors down at Fender today just to get them. Custom Shop axes change pups that will often find their way to the mainstream arena. Does it mean that all Custom pups are better, or that they are not and need replacing? Even Customs get modded at times. Can Fender or their competitors ever satisfy the masses with new designs? It's all about choices.

Paris has said that the Am Dlx was not personally desired. It wasn't/isn't for others either. However, the reverse is also true. There are those of us who do like the newer American Deluxe, and Paris did say it plays well and has quality. Oh sure, there are, again, choices.

Yours should be easy. Once you hold it and play it . . . the guitar fairey will hit you over the head and release your mojo and then you'll know.

Welcome to the la la land of Stratocasters :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:00 am
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It all comes down to what you play and whats important to you. Mine was a choice between the Eric Johnson and AVRI 62. I found the EJ way too hard sounding so got the 62 AVRI. It's definately *not* noiseless and has "the hum", but I personally like it because I think it's a part of the "fender sound" but I won't be trying to play Cliffs of Dover on it.

It all comes down to personal style and preference.

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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:11 am
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I have come to a conclusion that I won't really like an ec strat in the long run, since I'm always used to use my foot to switch from clean to dirty intstantly, hitting the listeners like a truck. I've decided to just get and american standard strat, and install a few upgrades. Some of them being 1)Seymour Duncan ssl5 in the bridge 2)either a locking tuner or a locking nut. I just seemed to be very comfortable with such a decision now. What do you guys think about the upgrades I've mentioned? Any other suggestions? Anyways thanks for all the help :) one more question... Any info about a 2013 edition of the am std?


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:18 am
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One thing I realized though, but it could probably be nothing since I've yet to hear from fender about anything regarding a new year update. The amer std strat no longer has candy cola as a color option anymore in fender's website. Is that a sign that there won't be a 2013 American standard line?


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:24 am
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Treat yourself to a Brownie. It's only $14,000 :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Stuck in a rut between first Strat purchase choices. Hal
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:33 am
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ECREAMAYALLAYLA wrote:
One thing I realized though, but it could probably be nothing since I've yet to hear from fender about anything regarding a new year update. The amer std strat no longer has candy cola as a color option anymore in fender's website. Is that a sign that there won't be a 2013 American standard line?


They have been making American Standards for a long time and will continue to do so for a long time I think. The colors come and go, the American Standard doesn't. From my understanding, the MIA regular strats from lowest to best are:
- american special
- american standard
- american deluxe

btw. The American Standard is a very good quality instrument. If I were to get an Am Standard, I wouldn't change pickups for at least a few years until I was sure I really wanted to. From my experience, the change in pickups sometimes completely changes the sound of the guitar and you sometimes lose that "the Strat" sound.

If you need a "heavier" sound, just get a HSS model. Did you look at the Modern Player or Select series strats?

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