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Post subject: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:36 pm
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Hi there!

I'm new to the forum.
I have a 2011 American Standard strat and a 2012 Mexican Standard strat.

I would like to replace the tuners of my MIM Standard strat by locking tuners, but I don't know which system will fit. I found a lot of good stuff on Schaller's web site, but I'm lost in the selection of the right model: There is the "J"-shape, and the one with a single pin lock.
Can anyone tell me if the MIM strat has a single pin or a double pin? (OK, I could dismantle it, but it's easier to ask :-) )
Another question: my American standard has staggered tuners, but the Mexican version does not. Is it really important to find non-staggered tuners for the Mexican or can I buy a staggered version?

Thanks for your kind help!


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:06 pm
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Double pin holes just like the MIA. If the tuners work OK now why switch? The double string trees, the Staggered MIA tuners were made to address the same issues. 1 Stop string noise above the NUT. 2 address the lack of angle from the nut to the tuner problem on the higher strings. The E and A strings are angled down at a proper angle, the rest are a bit shallow for good break angle over the nut.

If your replacement tuners will fit an American neck they will also fit the MIM neck. 10mm holes I believe.


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:07 am
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the MIM strat use 10mm tuning holes, I use these on 2 of my MIM and love them

http://www.guitarfetish.com/Now-STAGGER ... p_514.html

they work perfect and are staggered

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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:12 am
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Thanks for the replies.

Well you're right, I should have started with my global problem: my strat cannot stay in tune.

I already replaced the string tree by a GRAPH TECH PT-7004-00 STRING TREE.
It improved a bit, but I must say that I'm mainly struggling with strings replacement.
I don't have the "Mojo" to mount the strings properly and then I was looking at locking tuners not really because my std tuners do not work, but because I think that it would be much more simple to mount new strings.

I also probably need to replace the nut by a Graph Tech. I found the Graph Tech PT-5042-00 that matches the 42 mm length of the MIM strat, or better this one: PQ-5042-00 which is white. There are so many references, I'm lost again. I think it is the right one, but I'm not really sure.

And then last but not least: the tremolo... I might need to do something with it later.

Comparing to my MIA strat, it's like night and day... the MIA strat stays in tune quite well (it's not a Floyd rose, but I'm pretty satisfied). No need to change anything. I have to re-tune the MIM strat every 10 minutes.
Also, what I'm disappointed with is the length of the frets. They are slightly larger than the neck and it's scratching my fingers.


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:50 am
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DO the Nut replacement first. That and your not being able to restring properly is perhaps your biggest problem. Either the white or black Tusq nut is OK. Have a proper setup done on the guitar along with a fret dressing. Last thing is locking tuners if you still need them.


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:01 am
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thanks,

Sounds like I'm gonna make some savings :-)


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:09 am
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I don't have the "Mojo" to mount the strings properly and then I was looking at locking tuners not really because my std tuners do not work, but because I think that it would be much more simple to mount new strings.


Ok...this is just my own personal opinion but that comment alone raises a HUGE red flag for me. Here's a fact of life about Strats; 9/10's of keeping a Strat in tune comes down to the setup! Graphite nuts, graphite saddles, roller T's and all the funky gimicky crap in the world will -NOT- fix a poorly setup instrument. And if said person can't change strings properly, changing something such as a nut, graphite or otherwise, is (IMHO) asking for a disaster.

Before I changed any other part on that Strat, I would have it properly setup by a pro! For example, have you by chance changed string gauge and if so, did you have the existing nut properly refiled? I believe MIM's come with .009's from the factory...if you by chance put .010's on without having the nut refiled, you -WILL- have tuning problems! And remember that not all strings are consistently gauged. For example I use .010 gauge GHS Boomers but they come in .010 - .046 -AND- .010 - .052 (I use the .052's). And a poorly restrung guitar will go out of tune -every- time...has NOTHING to do with the nut or the tuners, etc!

Also, since it looks like the OP may be something of a newbie here, please remember that a guitar...any guitar...is NOT a piano. The tuning of a guitar is not just "set it and forget it". The tuning of a guitar -will- go out under normal playing conditions depending on humidity and temperature conditions, etc.. For example, my band is doing a gig this evening at a local tavern in Cleveland. My guitars are going to go from my basement studio which is a pretty constant 65 degrees, into a cold van (it's winter here in Ohio...current temp is about 34 degrees), ride in that van for an hour...with the temp in the van changing (you betcha that heater is going to be on!)...then go into a bar of unknown temperature. Then they are going to be played by a warm body that's about 98.6 degrees. I will tune when I set up, retune just before we start playing and check tuning periodically as I'm playing because my guitars tend to go a bit sharp as they warm up next to my body while I'm playing. In other words, wood and steel...the materials your guitar is made from...tends to expand and contract with various temperature and humidity conditions. Tis the nature of the beast!

Seriously...before you spend another dime on gimicks, have that instrument properly setup FIRST.

Just my own personal opinions...please use them for what they're worth!
Jim


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:35 am
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I don't have the "Mojo" to mount the strings properly and then I was looking at locking tuners not really because my std tuners do not work, but because I think that it would be much more simple to mount new strings.


Ok...this is just my own personal opinion but that comment alone raises a HUGE red flag for me. Here's a fact of life about Strats; 9/10's of keeping a Strat in tune comes down to the setup! Graphite nuts, graphite saddles, roller T's and all the funky gimicky crap in the world will -NOT- fix a poorly setup instrument. And if said person can't change strings properly, changing something such as a nut, graphite or otherwise, is (IMHO) asking for a disaster.

Before I changed any other part on that Strat, I would have it properly setup by a pro! For example, have you by chance changed string gauge and if so, did you have the existing nut properly refiled? I believe MIM's come with .009's from the factory...if you by chance put .010's on without having the nut refiled, you -WILL- have tuning problems! And remember that not all strings are consistently gauged. For example I use .010 gauge GHS Boomers but they come in .010 - .046 -AND- .010 - .052 (I use the .052's). And a poorly restrung guitar will go out of tune -every- time...has NOTHING to do with the nut or the tuners, etc!

Also, since it looks like the OP may be something of a newbie here, please remember that a guitar...any guitar...is NOT a piano. The tuning of a guitar is not just "set it and forget it". The tuning of a guitar -will- go out under normal playing conditions depending on humidity and temperature conditions, etc.. For example, my band is doing a gig this evening at a local tavern in Cleveland. My guitars are going to go from my basement studio which is a pretty constant 65 degrees, into a cold van (it's winter here in Ohio...current temp is about 34 degrees), ride in that van for an hour...with the temp in the van changing (you betcha that heater is going to be on!)...then go into a bar of unknown temperature. Then they are going to be played by a warm body that's about 98.6 degrees. I will tune when I set up, retune just before we start playing and check tuning periodically as I'm playing because my guitars tend to go a bit sharp as they warm up next to my body while I'm playing. In other words, wood and steel...the materials your guitar is made from...tends to expand and contract with various temperature and humidity conditions. Tis the nature of the beast!

Seriously...before you spend another dime on gimicks, have that instrument properly setup FIRST.

Just my own personal opinions...please use them for what they're worth!


+1, Jim!

I couldn't agree more.

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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:16 am
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A pro setup and locking tuners are about the same price if major work is not required. Go with the pro setup everytime and ask them to show you the proper way to string your guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:59 am
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OK I think you're right. I'll do that.

Just to precise, I did not change the gauge, I stayed with the original 9/42.
But there's one thing that still makes me believe there's something wrong:
OK I am not very skilled at changing the strings properly, but when I do this on my american strat I have no issue at all (and I don't believe I restring the MIA better than the MIM...).

But thanks for your advice, I'll have it setup by a pro first, and I'll see then if it needs upgrades.
I need anyway to have the frets sanded on the laterals because they are slightly larger than the neck :(


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:04 pm
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Well, after all is said and done and you still seek to go for locking tuners, the Fender brand are nice and affordable. I have them on my American Special and like that they have their logo "F", in keeping with the Fender brand...http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=fen ... ing+tuners


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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:07 am
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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:55 am
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Well, here the situation today. I cannot stay it is state-of-the-art indeed...

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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:13 am
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subsub74 wrote:
Well, here the situation today. I cannot stay it is state-of-the-art indeed...

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That don't look so bad. Don't need quite that much string wrap, but it should be ok.


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Post subject: Re: Locking tuners for MIM standard strat
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:38 am
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Thanks,

Maybe the low E is the worst.


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