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Post subject: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:09 pm
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Love how Fender has something available it just about any price range. However, sometime it makes me wonder. For example, you can buy 40 of these for the price of one of these. To quote a villain from Firefly, "Does that seem right to you"?

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:48 am
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Seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Some of us can afford a 2012 American Standard. Some of us can afford a Custom Shop Strat with all the bells and whistles. Some can afford a Standard Strat and there are others can can pony up money for a Squire or even a Star Caster.

You can see this in many other products. Cars come to mind. We have choices with GM, from Cadillac to GMC to Chevy depending on wallet sizes, application and need.

Personally I think we live in a great time with so many choices. If my only choice when I started playing was a high end CS guitar, I may never have started playing.

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:03 am
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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:47 am
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mhowell wrote:
Love how Fender has something available it just about any price range. However, sometime it makes me wonder. For example, you can buy 40 of these for the price of one of these. To quote a villain from Firefly, "Does that seem right to you"?


To me?
Not a bit!
I respect the work they put into such a guitar to make an exact replica of the original one though.

To me, it doesn't make sense at all. If I had it, I wouldn't look like Clapton and I wouldn't play or sound as Clapton!

Guitars for some crazy fans with too much money (or better: enough money so it doesn't matter)
After all, there's people paying 500 bucks for a meal in a restaurant which doesn't cover more space on a plate than an Oreo would! :wink:

I wouldn't even pay that much for the original one but that's just me! (and I would have the money, so no jealousy from me in this case!)
There must be a market for these, otherwise Fender wouldn't offer them.

I couldn't care less about these clones.
Others buy them because they can and want to.

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:51 am
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Yeah, and the Big Dollar guitar is a... fake beater. Now that's what's crazy about the whole thing.

Personally, I'd take the 25 or so new or gently used guitars I could buy with the money I'd have to spend for a fake Brownie.

Come to think of it, I already have!

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:53 pm
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Yeah, the reliced clone Custom Shop copies of far cheaper guitars that a famous person played to death kind of crack me up! I am sure they are great guitars but at that price are you gonna play it or frame it and hang it on your mantle? Seriously, at that price range you are collecting art not guitars!

In fact, I am just a novice hobbyist but I have been wondering what the really good players out there think of reliced guitars? I mean, isn't the point to buy a clean new guitar and relic it yourself through years of playing? I guess most of us just trade in and out of guitars too often to really relic a guitar naturally!

I do like some of the artist series Fenders though... but mostly for the specs and not the signature on the headstock.

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:58 am
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There's a school of thought that says if there's a market for something then a manufacturer must make it.

Fender is a good example. If someone want's a relic custom shop guitar then Fender is almost obligated to manufacture it. And if the demand is such that folks are willing to pay thousands then Fender must charge thousands.

I couldn't elaborate on that without getting political and this ain't the place for politics. :P

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:21 am
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mhowell wrote:
There's a school of thought that says if there's a market for something then a manufacturer must make it.

Fender is a good example. If someone want's a relic custom shop guitar then Fender is almost obligated to manufacture it. And if the demand is such that folks are willing to pay thousands then Fender must charge thousands.

I couldn't elaborate on that without getting political and this ain't the place for politics. :P


Basic supply-and-demand principles, straight out of Econ 101.

Nothing "political" about it at all.

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:15 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
mhowell wrote:
There's a school of thought that says if there's a market for something then a manufacturer must make it.

Fender is a good example. If someone want's a relic custom shop guitar then Fender is almost obligated to manufacture it. And if the demand is such that folks are willing to pay thousands then Fender must charge thousands.

I couldn't elaborate on that without getting political and this ain't the place for politics. :P


Basic supply-and-demand principles, straight out of Econ 101.

Nothing "political" about it at all.

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:16 am
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Tiger J wrote:
Yeah, the reliced clone Custom Shop copies of far cheaper guitars that a famous person played to death kind of crack me up! I am sure they are great guitars but at that price are you gonna play it or frame it and hang it on your mantle? Seriously, at that price range you are collecting art not guitars!

In fact, I am just a novice hobbyist but I have been wondering what the really good players out there think of reliced guitars? I mean, isn't the point to buy a clean new guitar and relic it yourself through years of playing? I guess most of us just trade in and out of guitars too often to really relic a guitar naturally!

I do like some of the artist series Fenders though... but mostly for the specs and not the signature on the headstock.


Tiger J...if you really want to know what serious players think of the relice'd or roadworn guitars...just do a search...there are a ton of posts on em!

And collecting guitars and collecting them as art are not mutually exclusive. I play all of mine some a bit more than others, but they are all a thing of beauty and they are an art form, just not in the traditional sense.

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:33 am
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Personally, I could never see the point, or justify $15k for a guitar.

Clearly some people can, or they wouldn't make any.

Vintage are a completely different kettle of cork sniffing, and it's often those of the wine investment mentality that buy them and never play them, hoping they'll earn a quid over time.


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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:20 pm
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I get the impression that the high-end guitar industry is very much about "selling you the dream". Road-worn guitars so you can pretend you have a vintage guitar, artist endorsements so ... I don't know, maybe so you can stand in front of the bedroom mirror and pretend to be Eric Clapton?

My guitars are road worn through being on the road. I never felt the need to pay someone to make them look worse.

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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:17 pm
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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:47 pm
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I notice when browsing large Fender dealers of Custom Shop guitars that they frequently have a much larger selection of Relic guitars than NOS items. I prefer shiny new myself, so it bothers me that I have less of a choice, but it must reflect the buying public numbers, yes?


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Post subject: Re: Strat for everybody
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:31 am
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I'm a huge fan of buying used. It doesn't help Fender with their bottom line, but it is nice when I can buy an American Standard for less than half the price on the used market. I'd look more into Squiers, but their necks are so narrow and thin. But now they make the Modern Player line, you can finally have a Squier without "Squier" on the headstock, but at least they make the neck a little bigger.

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