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Post subject: Re: Help with EC strat pickups please!
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:30 pm
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It's Lee Dickson.

Lee was EC's guitar technician until 2010.

Here's the interview you're talking about:



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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:33 pm
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It's Lee Dickson.

Lee was EC's guitar technician until 2010.


I thank you, I didn't want to be on the fringes of "Infallible Web Dogma"! :lol:

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:28 pm
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With the clarification of Martian and Xhefri, I think the OP should try to remove the boost circuit but keep the TBX ( on both Pots or is it just One ? ) and just run a passive system.
I must say i really like the TBX with a hotter pickup, one that draws around a 7k. Run thru a small vintage tube amp it surprisingly gives you that clean overdrive ( clean meaning it's without external effects of any kind. ) It's a different way of adjusting since all the tone has to come from the amp and guitar adjustments ( Tone, Bass, Treble, Volume ) the picking hand has tp provide a lot of the effects , muting, pinched notes / harmonics. It is a different way of playing, but if you look closely at Clapton playing, his hands are often muting the note short while at the same time letting other's ring open.....

It's not just in the circuit's...it's about the approach and simplifying. When that sounds great then you can add the peripherals... But as Martian says ..... YMMV :?

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:40 pm
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It seems to me, after removing the preamp from an LS guitar, that you've got a Strat Plus.

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:44 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
It seems to me, after removing the preamp from an LS guitar, that you've got a Strat Plus.

Yep, but with a 57 v neck and a vintage bridge!

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Martian wrote:
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@martianIt's Lee Dickson. Lee was EC's guitar technician until 2010.

I thank you, I didn't want to be on the fringes of "Infallible Web Dogma"! :lol:

I've seen this interview before. I doubt Lee is the tech Martian 'read' about. Therein, Lee speaks of a White House performance where he had the electric gear along in case of a happenstance, not-withstanding the fact that an acoustic set was planned. Afterward he was inquired of as to what was in the signal chain that evening. He maintains that the sound that evening was Eric, and nothing but his Strat through a '57 Twin...yet the EQ settings, which are the key to the sound and, in fact, the very issue Martian refers to in the article he read, are not discussed. Which gets back to the thing I've been reitterating all through the years here regarding the actual settings. They've never been revealed. At the previews for the 2010 auction in Manhattan, I tried to read them off the '57 Twins, and the Soldanos, but it was difficult, and I couldn't be sure that those settings were fixed and true.

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ZZDoc wrote:
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@martianIt's Lee Dickson. Lee was EC's guitar technician until 2010.

I thank you, I didn't want to be on the fringes of "Infallible Web Dogma"! :lol:

I've seen this interview before. I doubt Lee is the tech Martian 'read' about. Therein, Lee speaks of a White House performance where he had the electric gear along in case of a happenstance, not-withstanding the fact that an acoustic set was planned. Afterward he was inquired of as to what was in the signal chain that evening. He maintains that the sound that evening was Eric, and nothing but his Strat through a '57 Twin...yet the EQ settings, which are the key to the sound and, in fact, the very issue Martian refers to in the article he read, are not discussed. Which gets back to the thing I've been reitterating all through the years here regarding the actual settings. They've never been revealed. At the previews for the 2010 auction in Manhattan, I tried to read them off the '57 Twins, and the Soldanos, but it was difficult, and I couldn't be sure that those settings were fixed and true.


I think that particular discussion was in reference to his appearance with Lenny Kravitz when he played All Along The Watchtower. To me it sounds like there's an effect in the chain (delay perhaps?). I was amazed when I heard Lee say it was 'straight'.

PS I had the settings from the Soldanos from a '96 gig. I'll have to dig them out though, not sure where I stashed them!


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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:38 am
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thenedster wrote:
Hey all, here's my predicament. I picked up an Eric Clapton strat, new a few weeks ago. I love it, plays great. I love the bridge pickup, with OD & clean. I haven't really had to use the mid boost much at all. When I have it's only up to like 2, just to get me "over the top". Now the neck pickup sounds pretty dark, a little too dark. With OD it actually is surely too dark. The 2 & 4 positions sound ok clean, just a tad too dark. But with OD, the 2 & 4 position are much too dark. There is no glassy, stratty kind of thing happening. In fact I would describe the tone in the 2 & 4 as on the verge of dead. I wouldn't even think of using the mid boost in those positions, just goes to straight mud with zero cut. I really noticed it with my band again tonight...quite unusable in the 2 & 4. Now I can get a touch of sparkle with the TBX control, but I feel like I should get a strattier tone with the TBX in the detent or middle, off position. Btw I am using a 68 Super Reverb, and for drive I use a Catalinbread SFT. I also use an Analogman TS808 modded TS9 on some rhythm parts with the drive all the way down and the level almost all the way up for a nice gritty tone. This is where I would like my 2 & 4 positions to come through.
Now, obviously these are dark pups, but I'm wondering if height adjustments could at let substantially help with this dead tone on 2 & 4 positions? I hate to go and start hunting around for pickups or electronics replacements on this fiddle. And I definitely don't want it to be an overly bright strat. H ha I never thought I would have the problem of a strat that is too dark!


Hi thenedster,

Silly thing, but, you do know that this is an active guitar? Maybe the battery is just dying on you. I'd suggest a battery replacement first to see if that helps.

I'm assuming that you own a newer guitar with the vintage noiseless pickups. I own one the these too and must admit that I'm missing that high end sparkle too. I realize that you don't want to go hunting for new pups, but if you think the guitar is really great apart from the dull pups, I would suggest you try replacing them with Gold Fender Lace Sensors. They are slightly hotter (also because you can get away with setting these pups high), have much more treble and sound much glassier. Also they pair much better with the midboost circuit, giving a fat sound yet with sufficient treble to cut through a loud and full live band.


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Post subject: Re: Help with EC strat pickups please!
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:32 am
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Maybe the battery is just dying on you. I'd suggest a battery replacement first to see if that helps.

From the point of view of diagnosis, my experience with this situation has been that the level of gain drops as one turns the pot 'up'.

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LeftyElliot wrote:
I was amazed when I heard Lee say it was 'straight'.
Protecting the secrets of the Holy Grail,perhaps :?: Curious when you consider how open Gilmour has been about his gear and how he achieves his complex sounds. :?

PS I had the settings from the Soldanos from a '96 gig. I'll have to dig them out though, not sure where I stashed them!

That should be interesting.There were markings on the panel but they were difficult to read on that monster. The electric cables alone made it look like something out of Dr. Frankenstein's laboratory.

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:58 am
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LeftyElliot wrote:
I think that particular discussion was in reference to his appearance with Lenny Kravitz when he played All Along The Watchtower. To me it sounds like there's an effect in the chain (delay perhaps?). I was amazed when I heard Lee say it was 'straight'.


Hi,

Is that video you're talking 'bout :?:



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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:32 am
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Leave it to our resident photojournalist to come up with the material in question. That's an LS Clapton working off the neck pickup and going into a 'miked' '57 Twin, which has to be going into a sound board. Further settings on the guitar can't be determined. There's definite a feel of signal processing in that audio..kind of like a 'hall reverb'. I don't recall him getting that kind of sound out of the old Strat. So back to square one and thanks again to our colleague on Mount Olympus. :wink:

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That's an LS Clapton working off the neck pickup and going into a 'miked' '57 Twin, which has to be going into a sound board. Further settings on the guitar can't be determined. There's definite a feel of signal processing in that audio..kind of like a 'hall reverb'.


Most sound engineers will place a couple of room mikes, so that during a later remix, the ambiance of the room can be added as needed. That may be what we're hearing.

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ZZDoc wrote:
That's an LS Clapton working off the neck pickup and going into a 'miked' '57 Twin, which has to be going into a sound board. Further settings on the guitar can't be determined. There's definite a feel of signal processing in that audio..kind of like a 'hall reverb'.

Most sound engineers will place a couple of room mikes, so that during a later remix, the ambiance of the room can be added as needed. That may be what we're hearing.

......or.....everything went through the board, was EQ'd there, and out into the system. So we're hearing what the audience heard without any sound editing afterward.

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:21 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
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ZZDoc wrote:
That's an LS Clapton working off the neck pickup and going into a 'miked' '57 Twin, which has to be going into a sound board. Further settings on the guitar can't be determined. There's definite a feel of signal processing in that audio..kind of like a 'hall reverb'.

Most sound engineers will place a couple of room mikes, so that during a later remix, the ambiance of the room can be added as needed. That may be what we're hearing.

......or.....everything went through the board, was EQ'd there, and out into the system. So we're hearing what the audience heard without any sound editing afterward.


Anything is possible. But, since it's a multi camera pro video recording that would have been edited later, I would think they would remix the audio to stereo speakers rather than use the room feed. This is where the room mics will bring back that live feel that the audience heard. It's all speculation though.

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