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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:32 am
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jackdragbean wrote:

Donny, you missed his point. He was saying they aren't alone in the "best production lines." He gave examples such as Ibanez, PRS, Carvin, etc. Looking at Hard Rock Cafes and who the plays what etc., That's more of a "what's popular" and not the best production guitars.


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:53 am
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donnycraven wrote:

I might give a lil light to what I based my judgement on

PRS are pretty much Gibson overpriced knock offs BUT STILL HIGH CLASS INSTRUMENTS can be found in their series!
Jacksons are ok.
I have worked on Ibanez and owned them they are flashy junk that needs upgrades.
DON'T LET STEVE VAI AND JOE SATRIANI HEAR THAT :wink: ! Of course there's low budget models, there must be! There's absolutely no need for upgrades in many high class Ibanezes. Don't mix up manufacturer and model. There's absolutely EXCELLENT Ibanezes out there, that's all I'm saying. I would never upgrade my JEM because it's a perfect, high class instrument, top notch in every way.
The only Guitar you named that is even a contender with Gibson and Fender is Jackson.
You don't call a Jackson Dinky a high class instrument, do you :lol: ?? Again: please differentiate between naming manufacturers and models.

There ya go did I elaborate enough?
Not really. Sounds more like personal preferences to me, which is not a bad thing but it's not objective either.

Here ya go this will help you decide IF I can play to know what Im talkin bout.

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See red comments above!

Actually, if someone plays good or not, is of no interest here (I didn't check because it means nothing in this discussion).

Your whole elaboration shows to me, that you still seem to miss the point and additionally seem to base your judgement on low level instruments of mentioned manufacturers and personal preferences.

Nobody said that ALL Ibanezes are head to head with i.e. Gibson.
I wouldn't even DARE to mention Epiphone in a discussion like this but you do.

I have the feel that you don't see a difference between an Ibanez RG 350 and a RG from the Prestige Series, a JS 2410 or a JEM.

As I mentioned above: don't mix up manufacturer and model. There's bad models in EVERY brand.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:00 am
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donnycraven wrote:
See its pointless this is pointless.
You guys keep asking me back but you really dont care what I have to say and I really dont care what you have to say either.


That's your problem, exactly!
A discussion is meant to be done by exchanging arguments based on facts, not by repeating statements without base, which are generalized.

If this is your way to discuss, then it's indeed sense- and pointless.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:31 am
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No really lets keep goin seems I give you purpose.
It dont matter what guitars you owned in life how good you can play?
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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:36 am
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Do you guys even have bands or is this all you got?
Am I locked into a battle with a bunch of losers that dont like Fenders so much and dont have bands?

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:43 am
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I thought the conversation was about how well Fenders are made in their respective origins, not how good the board posters could play?

Anyway Donnie - I want it to keep going because jackdragbean's responses to your "I'm great, listen to me" argument style is hilarious.

Proceed.

Oh, btw I'm a Medical Physicist in a cancer center, so I can tell you for certain that linear accelerators made in the US produce a more accurate.....OK, I'll stop. I don't have one as funny as jackdragbean's in my head.

Donnie - lighten up, would ya?

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:20 am
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It was really kind of ignorant as was the comment about not mattering what guitars you have owned or how well you can play them. I believe the statement was only your opinion matters here? Well my opinion is Fender USA are the best. Those who dont think so Im sure Ibanez or PRS has got forums too for ya.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:54 am
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Well at the risk of kicking that dead horse again...

While I haven't been a machinist for as long as Donny here, yea...I did a couple of years in a sweat shop (hated it too...no sense of "American Pride" there AT ALL). I've also done a great deal of woodworking in my time and more directly I've not only been playing guitar for over 30 years, I've been doing my own setups, doing my own mods and setting up instruments for others, yadda, yadda, yadda, pretty much right from the git-go. Equally I've done a couple of re-frets now, I've certainly done my share of polishing and crowing, I've done some pretty fair refinishing work at this point and I've even cut a couple of my own bodies. To come directly to the point, I -KNOW- good workmanship when I see it. Even a thick poly finish doesn't generally hide the marks of the dull mill bit that was used on the guitar's cavities...but clean and pristine does show thru every time! And it doesn't take an "expert" to see when the strings don't line up over the pickups because the bridge was mis-drilled...which I've seen happen with a couple of USA Gibson's now. And I've seen just as many American made Strats with sloppy neck pockets as I have with Mexican's or anything else.

So when I see someone say "Gibson USA And Fender USA are the best production guitars out there", I'm sorry...I know this offends people's pride and sensibilities, but that's just rubbish...it really is. I've seen USA Gibsons that were all wonked up right out of the box...in one case costing it's owner 6 months of grief and two rounds of shipping before Gibson finally replaced the instrument...$2000 for a Hummingbird and the guy couldn't even play it for 6 months because the neck had been mis-set, re-glued (very sloppy too) then mis-set again! And how many Les Paul's and SG's are out there where the tenon was cut too short?? On the other hand, I've seen Japanese made instruments (and now one Korean) that just blow ANY American made Standard Strat right out of the water. And this doesn't even begin to address my previous comments regarding price points either...again that little extra that you may (or may not) get with an American Strat compared with a Mexi just does not warrant an instrument being TWICE the price...and that has very little to do with anything such as quality.


Sorry but I've been doing this stuff just as long as many of the people here. The difference is that I don't have some bloated sense of American pride whispering in my ear about it saying "go home team".


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:07 am
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donnycraven wrote:
... a bunch of losers that dont like Fenders so much and dont have bands?


That's exactly the reason why I'm here! :lol: You got me!
Move on, Donny. It's ok.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:20 am
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This thread started about the origin of stratocasters, could they be ok from mexico japan or korea. The answer is yeah they are good but american stratocasters are excellent. Here let me prove it to you...
You just won a stratocaster! You can chose any strat from the current 2013 line. Everyone of us would take that hand made american top of the line strat we been dreaming of. Anyone that says they wouldnt is a liar or not a player. anyone that says they would take the expensive one and sell it keep the money get a mexican yuk yuk, is A moron.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:30 am
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Smokin' Frets wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
... a bunch of losers that dont like Fenders so much and dont have bands?


That's exactly the reason why I'm here! :lol: You got me!
Move on, Donny. It's ok.


Actually your one of the few guys that shows he is legit here not just a keyboard terrorist. That was kind of a general statement i really dont take the time to clarify sorry. we got more than you and I here.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:35 am
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donnycraven wrote:

Actually your one of the few guys that shows he is legit here not just a keyboard terrorist.


Thank you, Donny, I really appreciate that you see it (or: me) that way. :)

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:23 am
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Funny how this thread really took off....

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:42 am
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Importance of origin?

I believe the answer you are looking for is:

"The origin of a guitar is of varying importance, depending on who you ask".

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feel free to use this as a stock response to such a question

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:08 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
You just won a stratocaster! You can chose any strat from the current 2013 line. Everyone of us would take that hand made american top of the line strat we been dreaming of. Anyone that says they wouldnt is a liar or not a player.


I think Donny came up with something interesting there.
The question was if the origin of the guitar is important and it is with no doubt.

Just let me push Donny´s idea a bit further, please.

There are 4 Fender guitars.
1. American Stratocaster
2. Mexican Stratocaster
3. Korean Stratocaster
4. Chinese Stratocaster

Which one would you buy if you had the money and ALL of them have the same price tag of $1000 ?
Ask yourself why you would get the American instead of the other ones. I guess there are different answers but I bet most of us would get the American.

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