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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:23 am
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The only American Stratocaster I really want now is an SRV Strat. Not because of SRV (which he is my favorite Strat player), but because the neck on his guitar is huge. I thought about KWS Strat, but I don't like 12" radius and the untinted neck.


FYI, the SRV neck has a 12" radius. If you want a huge neck with a smaller radius check out a '62 Vintage Hot Rod. I have an SRV and a Vintage Hot Rod, the Hot Rod neck is HUGE.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:56 am
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I have a SRV and like the 12" radius.Switching to or from a Gibson isnt much of an adjustment , if any. The specs of the SRV are different than any strat I have played thus far . Not everyones cup of tea , but alot of people like it.


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:17 am
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I had a US SRV neck on one of my strat projects and it felt absolutely great! Just lacked a fret (21 instead of 22).

I also like the V-shaped necks of the Buddy Guy signatures. Huge but still very comfortable.
The V-shape doesn't really let you feel, how fat the neck is. It just feels perfect to me and I only feel the difference in the moment I switch guitars.

The best one I have is my Warmoth custom neck, which not only has a V-shape but also compound radius.
Incredibly nice to play, for my taste!

So I can seriously relate to your preference, Detroit! :D

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:49 am
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I hear ya.I used to think the Modern C necks were the only thing Fender had . When I bought the SRV I realized I didnt really care for the Modern C and sold the ones I had . Now the SRV and a 59 thinskin ( with a "modified SRV neck") is all I have for strats. Couldnt be happier.


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:20 pm
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I love them all!!!!!!!!!! And you should add MIJ in the original question because I personally have a bias for them. When I think of quality, feel, and playability, I think MIJ and MIA. I still play every guitar in the shop regardless of where it's made though when I'm actually guitar shopping.


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:44 pm
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The only thing I could see a real difference between MIM and MIA guitars is in the resale value. I have an american standard strat, and a american special tele and I also have a squier strat. I have no issue with any of these guitars, they all play well and the fit and finish has no issues on any of them. The american guitars will in 30 years from now sell for more then i bought them for whereas the squier will never sell for even what i paid for it. So really if you like the sound that you guitar has then who really cares who made it, where its from or what name is on the headstock. If you however are looking from an investment stand point well then the americans are the better buy.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:24 pm
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The only thing I could see a real difference between MIM and MIA guitars is in the resale value. I have an american standard strat, and a american special tele and I also have a squier strat. I have no issue with any of these guitars, they all play well and the fit and finish has no issues on any of them. The american guitars will in 30 years from now sell for more then i bought them for whereas the squier will never sell for even what i paid for it. So really if you like the sound that you guitar has then who really cares who made it, where its from or what name is on the headstock. If you however are looking from an investment stand point well then the americans are the better buy.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
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bigdave78 wrote:
The only thing I could see a real difference between MIM and MIA guitars is in the resale value. ... The american guitars will in 30 years from now sell for more then i bought them for whereas the squier will never sell for even what i paid for it. So really if you like the sound that you guitar has then who really cares who made it, where its from or what name is on the headstock. If you however are looking from an investment stand point well then the americans are the better buy.
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You're making a massive assumption there. What would possibly make a mass production guitar worth what you paid for it, 30 years from now? If you mean it'll be worth the same $$ amount, which will have devalued over that time, then yes, it probably will.

I think the idea of guitars as investments is silly. These are mass produced items, as the original 50 and 60 guitars were (only in smaller quantities). The only thing that attaches value to the vintage ones is that they were made in the era that music became a huge cultural phenomenon. Today's guitars don't even have that subjective aura, they're simply mass market commodities.


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:37 pm
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If The Guitar Is Made Well And Lets you Play the way you Want To. Then who Cares Where its Made.Have a go on The Squier Vintage 50s Telecaster Not Bad At all!


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:36 am
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played a friends American Standard, I must say it feels great!! I guess playability would be more important regardless of origin (but this coming from someone who hasn't tried out THAT many guitars yet) Still love my MIM though! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
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American Standard Stratocasters and Gibson USA Les Pauls are the two best production line guitars in the world period.

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:35 am
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I honestly don't give a rat's fanny what it says on the headstock, or where it was made. I got the MIA I have for two reasons:

1) of all the Strats I tried, I liked this one the best. Looks, feel, sound, etc. I was actually looking specifically at the MIM ones!

2) GC had it heavily discounted during the year end inventory reduction sale. I literally got it for the price of a good Mexi!!! WITH a hard case. No brainer there.

I agree with the posters saying that where it's built isn't a sure fire indicator of quality.

I also agree with those who say $%#@ This! to the prices on most high end American guitars. I was looking, for example, at LP's- everything with Gibson on the headstock was INSANELY expensive... Several grand each. Now, I'm neither a collector, a professional guitarist, nor an investor. I'm not rich, and simply cannot justify spending THAT much on any one guitar. No matter HOW many people rave endlessly about them, or intimate that they're the only "real" guitar- it simply ain't worth it to ME. You can always get a nice Epi, and swap out the stock pickups, if you don't like em. For that matter, ESP and Ibanez make perfectly good single cuts- with a massive variety of nice finishes- for a fraction of the price. So what if they're made in Indonesia?? I own two Ibby's, both are very high quality, sound great, play great, and cost under $400 NEW. It's why I like that company- you get a LOT of guitar for your money. Same goes for Schecter, and the lower priced Fenders.

I only mention the MIA thing when I talk about my guitar because it's a way to let others know exactly what I have. One thing I do like about the MIA's is they come with satin finish necks. I just don't like the feel of a heavily glossed neck.

I'm perfectly happy with the stock pick ups, because they are exactly what I wanted- vintage-y, Stratty sounding, low output single coils. I also LIKE the 2 point trem. Does just what I need it to do-light vibrato, and the occasional dive bomb. No rough or protruding edges either. Plus, I just couldn't argue with the beautiful 3 color burst finish or the plain white pick guard! ( I cannot stand the looks of the tortoise shell ones. To me, they just look like cheap linoleum...)

Okay, I lied- I DO care about the name. A Fender Stratocaster just has a certain Mojo about it! Wouldn't stop me from buying a Squier or a Yammy, but I just HAD to have that Fender, you know?


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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:38 pm
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donnycraven wrote:
American Standard Stratocasters and Gibson USA Les Pauls are the two best production line guitars in the world period.


I think that's a little too "short sighted", if you forgive me that term.

There's absolutely high class guitars out there, which aren't hand built in some Custom Shop!

Not sure but I even think PRS (not SE!!!) has some production line guitars. They're AWESOME instruments!

Same goes for Ibanez, Jackson, Music Man, Vigier (just played a 3500 bucks Vigier strat three days ago), just to name a few.

If you reduce the guitar world to two models from two manufacturers, you're running around blindfolded. And I'm not talking about hand made guitars like Basslab, Kritz, PRS Custom, Zerberus and all the other very high end exotics.

They might be the ones YOU like best but please not with "period" at the end of the sentence. :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:16 pm
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Smokin' Frets wrote:
donnycraven wrote:
American Standard Stratocasters and Gibson USA Les Pauls are the two best production line guitars in the world period.


I think that's a little too "short sighted", if you forgive me that term.

There's absolutely high class guitars out there, which aren't hand built in some Custom Shop!

Not sure but I even think PRS (not SE!!!) has some production line guitars. They're AWESOME instruments!

Same goes for Ibanez, Jackson, Music Man, Vigier (just played a 3500 bucks Vigier strat three days ago), just to name a few.

If you reduce the guitar world to two models from two manufacturers, you're running around blindfolded. And I'm not talking about hand made guitars like Basslab, Kritz, PRS Custom, Zerberus and all the other very high end exotics.

They might be the ones YOU like best but please not with "period" at the end of the sentence. :wink: :wink: :wink:





Well I would have to check and see what hangs in most Hard Rock Cafes.
What most proffesional musicians and major stars out there are playing.
What the top sellers are, who was the originals.
Who gets copied the most, to be sure.
I will have to get back to you on that after I do some research, OK?

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Post subject: Re: Importance of Origin
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Voodoo Blues wrote:
DetroitBlues wrote:
The only American Stratocaster I really want now is an SRV Strat. Not because of SRV (which he is my favorite Strat player), but because the neck on his guitar is huge. I thought about KWS Strat, but I don't like 12" radius and the untinted neck.


FYI, the SRV neck has a 12" radius. If you want a huge neck with a smaller radius check out a '62 Vintage Hot Rod. I have an SRV and a Vintage Hot Rod, the Hot Rod neck is HUGE.


Maybe I'll take another look at KWS then...

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