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Post subject: Vintage Reissue
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:11 pm
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UH!

It's sickening, people just go to a pawn shop if you want that, or custom order.

Is it just me or is fender stuck in the past? I love the Deluxe Series Teles and Strats cause they're not reissues, they're the music of now! Is anyone sick of the 50's 60's and 70's reissues?!? It seems like a waste of wood. Fender did awesome with S-1 switching, but jeeze, don't stop there, let's work on the future! Why can't Fender, (and all guitar/ amp companies) release a Modern guitar/ amp?! Let's see some Fender Strat Deluxe Moderns, and Some Telecaster Deluxe Moderns. And hell, make a Jazzmaster Modern, that would be sick!!

Comments? Let me know what you think, cause a more modern based line would be sick, the standards seem too vintage still, but the Am Deluxes seem to be getting closer to present day.

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:17 pm
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Fender does an excellent job of making what the public wants/buys.

Personally I like some of the features of 50's, 60's, and 70's Fenders. But hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage Reissue
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:19 pm
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alwaysdancing wrote:
Is it just me or is fender stuck in the past?


Yes, they are stuck in the past. I guess that's because that's what the market wants.

I'd like to see Fender come out with some PRS-like models to get some competition going. Something like a Custom 24 but with a Fender-ish headstock.

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:27 pm
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I'd say the fact that Fender has so many variations of their guitar models is proof that there's a strong demand for all those different products. People like those vintage designs. Fender got it right the first time.

If you want something more modern, Fender owns Charvel, Jackson and EVH. I'm sure there's something more to your tastes there.

And hey....the strat is the most easily modded guitar ever. Want a more modern strat? Mod one! Frankenstrats are fun.

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:34 pm
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Hello Alwaysdancing,

I'm glad they make em,
maybe someday I'll be lucky
enough to own one.

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:58 pm
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well personally i never have really liked the whole vintage reissue thing really, they remind me of signature guitars. personally my belief is a person should play the guitars of their generation(and actually commit to sticking with that one guitar) so we can move forward.

i think jeff beck is a perfect example of how the modern thing doesnt have to be inferior and lacking and it should be embraced for what it is and not always compared with the vintage specs. i have a american series that sounds woody as all get out(locking tuners,poly,stainless frets,etc) but im not trying to recreate whats been done before. but after all said and done though a good strat is a good strat nomatter any specs.

also i dont like the modern spacing at all, or the modern radius.. truthfully i hate them, but i love my guitar.


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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:38 am
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I think Fender should do it all. Vintage and new modern models. Then everyone could make their personal choice on what model they want. Why not have more choice? Not everyone has the same tastes.

I have it both ways.....a modern model, and a vintage, and I'm happy with both.


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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:58 am
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I wish I could afford a REAL '52 Telecaster and a REAL '57 Strat, because if I could, I'd have them both.
The beauty of it all is, if you don't like the vintage vibe you don't have to buy one, I prefer the vintage vibe and original specs, so I have a '57 American Vintage Strat and a '52 American Vintage Tele (on the way). For my "modern" taste I have an American 60th anniversary tele. I'll never buy a Fender with S1 switching, not that they are bad, they are just not to my liking. Having the choice is a wonderful thing, Fender offers something for everyone. 8)

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:07 am
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I think Cryingstrat has it right... I know I would give most anything to have a reissue Tele Bass like I had in '68... I was absolutely killer in its' simplicity and beauty!

If I were to spec out my dream strat I know that I'd be pulling more items from the past than from the present/future.


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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:22 am
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kja wrote:
... personally my belief is a person should play the guitars of their generation(and actually commit to sticking with that one guitar) so we can move forward.


What guitar you play and what features it has has nothing to do with your ability to "move forward." (See Oz Noy for examples.)


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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:32 pm
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I think it's up to anyone's taste. I've got an American Deluxe Ash Strat (amazing Sienna Sunburst), than, a few weeks later an American Vintage '62. Different sound, different feeling ... I love both of them
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:07 pm
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Gravity Jim wrote:
kja wrote:
... personally my belief is a person should play the guitars of their generation(and actually commit to sticking with that one guitar) so we can move forward.


What guitar you play and what features it has has nothing to do with your ability to "move forward." (See Oz Noy for examples.)


obviously i didnt mean me or anyone else when i said we. when i said we i meant all guitar players.and that guy is really what im talking about, hes using effects to create a new sound. i get your point though. what i was trying to get at though is all of this obsession with everything trying to be like it once was holds back new stuff and styles. i mean look at this guy for a perfect example. people are calling him a genius because hes building grooves using looping and reverse sampling? sorry but that was 1993 and its sad guitarist are getting this now? granular synthesis is old. oz noy is using more of a gimick. but i agree that someone can take just a guitar and make sounds nobody has heard before but that is not what i was trying to say at all.


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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:43 pm
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I also have a Stratocaster Deluxe and a '62 Reissue. Both are high quality instruments with great attention to detail. But both have their own distinctive tone. So they both fit my needs.

I think their are companies out there that have pushed the envelope with design. Paul Reed Smith is a prime example of a need to get past the never changing Gibson Les Paul.

If you really want to think about something, think about this:
A Gibson Les Paul Standard in 1981 could be purchased for under $700. Today the same guitar will cost you roughly $2300. And for a while there you couldn't give away a Les Paul until Slash came along with Guns N Roses!

All these big companies do their homework and listen to the public and in most cases the majority rule wins.


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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:01 pm
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I used to own an ash American Deluxe. Great guitar, nice tone. The S-1 was fun with the extra Fendery tones. Locking tuners were handy. But it wasn't right for me. Now I have the EJ which is basically a 57 RI with some mods and I love it. Vintage slotted tuners that never slip, more reliable to me then the locking tuners. It's cool Fender offers more modern versions for those who want them, but I'll stick to the original designs. Change isn't always better.

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:13 pm
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cryingstrat wrote:
I used to own an ash American Deluxe. Great guitar, nice tone. The S-1 was fun with the extra Fendery tones. Locking tuners were handy. But it wasn't right for me. Now I have the EJ which is basically a 57 RI with some mods and I love it. Vintage slotted tuners that never slip, more reliable to me then the locking tuners. It's cool Fender offers more modern versions for those who want them, but I'll stick to the original designs. Change isn't always better.


Well spoken! The EJ looks like a totally brilliant strat IMHO! I really like my new JV (poor mans EJ) as it is also patterned after the oldies.


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