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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:26 pm
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as previously mentioned,start learning chords.basic songs you like..anything that inspires you.for me,learning the blues/pentatonic scales really opened up the fretboard.im still learning and have been amazed at how much my playing has come together once the scales started sinking in..try to be realistic with your goals.i know i would get frustrated alot trying to learn songs that were waaay above my abilities.some of these guys make it look so easy.i wish things like you tube were around when i started playing.i dont get online much but recently i have been learning stuff from the marty schwarts vids on you tube..and others..the jam tracks are cool also for practicing.


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:51 pm
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I'd check out online courses. Justinguitar.com is all free and is an excellent course, well taught. Structured lessons and practice, songs for the level you're at to learn, and more.

You can supplement that by learning some favourite songs off YT. There are always beginner versions of Rock Classics, Hendrix etc that are simplified, as you get better you can get nearer the original - you'e not going to be able to do that in a few months.

A personal teacher is a big investment, there are advantages and disadvantages of starting out that way. Personally, I'd get the basics going first as there are plenty of online resources for that. Then choosing a teacher can be easier, as you have an idea of what you're struggling with and can find someone who can help. You'll also have a better idea of your preferred learning styles, and can find someone who can fit in with that.

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excellent lesson's, various genre's, great beginner's course, no cost. The Author does have some extra's for sale but there's enough free stuff that you never really have to pay for anything. Donations are encouraged.

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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:20 pm
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Surely scales and chords along with a bit of theory should be a good starting point? There are some excellent and free sites, one I used : guitarjamz.com the guys a legend, find him on YouTube too ;)

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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:42 am
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For me, I had very low expectations, and after learning for just over 4 years I've nearly met all of them.


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:11 pm
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thanks for the tip drubbing...ive been messing around a bit on justin's website now also. :D


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:11 am
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-buy a guitar & amp (squier guitar will do for first strat...or mim strat whatever)
-start with basic "how to hold a guitar"
-simple 1 string exercises like "play 1 string 4 frets in a row with four fingers"
-learn the open chords (C A G E D) (minor & major)
-learn minor 1st box of (minor) pentatonic scale / blues scale (have some extra notes)
-learn simple bar chords (E & A shape) (minor & major)
-go on to 2nd /3d box of pentatonic scale etc.
-google/youtube for a million blues licks and play them
-find simple songs and play them
-F chord / 7 chords / 4 chords
- ....

[Put that guitar against your belly every day, even if its just half an hour... play]

Private teachers will help a lot to explain those things but there are good online teachers with a lot of (free) material as well :
-justin guitar (very good for everything)
-steviensnacks (super good for blues SRV/Hendrix style)


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:54 am
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steviesnacks seems really good, but I found his stuff suits the more advanced player, rather than the beginner.


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:04 am
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Having just started with my new guitar at Christmas this year, I have not put it down. Someone mentioned Justinguitar and I have to agree. There are tons of stuff to learn there. I use his stuff and work on something everyday. There are lots of good videos he shows. I have also found that at Gibson's webpage they have a learn and master guitar pdf that you can download and use. It seems to be pretty good to me.

Enjoying the process here in East Tennessee.


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:03 pm
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Although, I can read (some) drum notation and chords in guitar books, I have always wanted to grasp the reading and playing of music charts. I believe doing so will open many more doors than are open to me now.

Having said this I was pleasantly encouraged to play my guitar with my skills and limitations when I heard a recent interview which had a very famous singer/songwriter (initials J.T.) who played with an equally famous orchestra leader who had incorrectly assumed that J.T. could read music. Add the fact that J.T.'s spouse was classically trained and involved musically.J.T. then went on to say that he found many formally trained music readers lack the natural ability to improvise. This is his opinion, of course, but it would explain how most opera singers fail to cross over to pop music despite their best effort. Some of the greatest musicians never had the resources to learn music notation. Then again some of the greatest music has been made from the well trained.

For anyone new to guitars I would say that any and all methods have their advantages and disadvantages . . . but, I agree with the others who suggest to learn chords. This is an easy and quick and fun way to play songs. It may even get you into a band sooner. Techniques and the rest will always be available. I also agree with the earlier suggestion of watching and learning from other musicians (I play lead guitar on songs I learned from friends some 50 years ago. They still have a popular band and I have improved my technique.)

Whatever method you use, just have fun and don't get discouraged . . . you're sure to get better. (Even great drummers don't just bang away without boring slow motion exercises).


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:05 pm
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Add the fact that J.T.'s spouse was classically trained and involved musically.J.T. then went on to say that he found many formally trained music readers lack the natural ability to improvise. This is his opinion, of course, but it would explain how most opera singers fail to cross over to pop music despite their best effort. Some of the greatest musicians never had the resources to learn music notation. Then again some of the greatest music has been made from the well trained.



The 'classically trained' chestnut is a very old one. The argument from some is that training stifles creativity. I think that's rubbish and the reams of great players and artists who never learnt to read music, but nonetheless knew their instrument back to front, is testament to that. They learnt the same stuff, just differently.

A good understanding of theory can enhance creativity, simply because you know far more about the construction of music. Not that I want to bother to read music myself, I find anything but very basic theory exceptionally dense, and doesn't directly help me play better.

I think opera is a different thing; this requires classical training and there is not as much space in the medium for wildly creative deviation - it's about technical excellence. Of course there are different readings of classic pieces, but then, a very deep understanding of music is required to put a different spin on it - and that's largely the conductor's and musical director's gig.

I don't know of any opera singer who've wanted to crossover and do pop and write their own stuff - except those powered by Cowell, who are being marketed to sing pop tunes with grandiose voices. It's opera as karaoke.


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:26 pm
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Drubbing:

For the most part I agree with you. Learning music whether by ear or from a sheet or using any other method can only add to the experience and end result. Technique and understanding your instrument is a huge lesson in itself. For myself, I chose to to learn my instrument and amplifier to the best of my ability before I take on my rudimentary lessons. Oh sure, I can transfer my acoustic skills and I did take some time to just plug in and have fun, however, I wanted to know how and if things work, and I want to maximize my efforts.

I'd like to point out that I love great opera and Saturday afternoon was my day to relax or work with live performances on public radio. I do think, however, talent, technique, training, environment, and more affect genre abilities. Great pop vocalists who are mediocre rock singers, great rock singers who are mediocre classical singers and . . . well, you get the idea. You are bang on with Cowell. That probably explains the popularity of rock. Rock seems to have embraced every music genre at a high level and, thankfully,has been reponsible,somewhat, in both preserving and expanding music and musical tastes, some of which we were in danger of losing.

As a trained percussionist, self taught keyboardist, and guitarist, I think the one of the biggest tragedys with one's perception of learning music has to start with whether the student has ability. All too often budding musicians do not have the basic skills of timing and/or musicality. Think of the slick dance instructor who is more than willing to give lessons to someone who has no rhythm and three feet. Still the lessons keep coming and hopeful fans may even support it. Still, if that's someboby's thing . . . have fun with it. Just keep it real. I wanted to play sax, but, it just wasn't in the cards.

But, I digress. When a great blues player asked his son what he knew of other forms of music his son replied that he knew nothing and didn't think it was necessary. This astute bluesman basically told his son to go out in the world and learn about country, jazz, classical, and everything in between. Then and only then would he be possibly ready to take on the family recording business.


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:30 pm
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Heya! :)
I'm pretty much a newbie too, only played the acoustic for a bit in between friends, exams etc last year. I've only juuuust bought my baby (Standard Strat).
Like the others here, I'd suggest learning some chords (I personally don't think you need to learn every single one out there... though some might disagree??)
And going on youtube is great too. Some have tutorials but they can get long winded at times...
Just listen to all types of music, see what you like, don't be too critical of different genres because every single genre can teach you something. Learn how to read tabs and play by ear. Once you have a bit more experience, start learning to read music (as in scores and all that).
Don't give up, guitar is one of the most versatile and amazing sounding instruments out there!! :)
Good luck!! xx Oh, and if you run into any problems, research and if you still can't find answers, ask :)


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:46 pm
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4ntiClock wrote:
-buy a guitar & amp (squier guitar will do for first strat...or mim strat whatever)
-start with basic "how to hold a guitar"
-simple 1 string exercises like "play 1 string 4 frets in a row with four fingers"
-learn the open chords (C A G E D) (minor & major)
-learn minor 1st box of (minor) pentatonic scale / blues scale (have some extra notes)
-learn simple bar chords (E & A shape) (minor & major)
-go on to 2nd /3d box of pentatonic scale etc.
-google/youtube for a million blues licks and play them
-find simple songs and play them
-F chord / 7 chords / 4 chords
- ....

[Put that guitar against your belly every day, even if its just half an hour... play]

Private teachers will help a lot to explain those things but there are good online teachers with a lot of (free) material as well :
-justin guitar (very good for everything)
-steviensnacks (super good for blues SRV/Hendrix style)


^^^^^ Exactly how I learned how to play. Used both sites too! It's like you looked into my soul. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:20 pm
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Post subject: Re: how to play Fender Strat for Beginner
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:17 pm
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I played when I was 12 and had a guitar my dad got for me from a promotion for Jim Beam. No foolin! I went to a music school where I lived and my dad sat down with me and the teacher and watched the first lesson. I remember the guy taught me simple C and simple G. My dad went to the next lesson and we got the Alfred Guitar Course book. That lesson the guy had my play in 3/4 and 4/4 time the 2 chords I had learned he watched me keep time by my foot. Then we worked on the A and A minor. After that lesson my dad went and signed me up for 6 months of lessons. My dad was a musician and played violin, and Cello and could play piano. When I asked him why he waited, he said he wanted to see if the guy was teaching me music, or just teaching me to play chords. When the teacher had me keep in time, he knew that it was the right step. I wanted an electric guitar and my dad said "When you can change from A-C-D-E-G and then reverse and not miss a chord, I'll get you an electric guitar."

I told my teacher this and every lesson he had me play those chords over and over again in 3/4, 2/2 and 4/4. He also showed me little tricks to change chords easier and faster and develop muscle memory. We'd work on my "electric lesson" the last 10 minutes of each class. He would take a sheet of paper and write down what chords to play and what time. He called our house the next week and told my dad to come in to the next lesson because he wanted to talk about my progress. When my dad came in my teacher, (Art) began to put the papers up and I began to play what he had written. I got my electric that Saturday.

I broke three fingers on my left hand the following month playing hockey.

When I got back from Iraq, I was 43. I went to GC, and bought a Fender Strat,and a Fender Champion 600. Went back to the same school, and signed up for lessons. My new teacher gave me a Mel Bay Modern Guitar Method book and we zoomed through the first pages. After 3 weeks he asked me. "What song do you want to learn to play?" I said, "Brain Damage" by Pink Floyd. Kevin took my Strat, and played it and said. "This right" That day he showed me how to play brain damage. When I wanted to learn the solo from "Walking the Floor Over You" he told me to bring the CD in, and he listened to it, and then tabbed it out for me, and guided me through playing it, keeping time, bending the strings right and when to pick harder.

You Tube is great and I use it a lot, but the thing is that you can't get feedback from it. You can't have someone spot a mistake from it, and you can't ask it a question or have it slow down so you can follow it better. And you can't play a duet with it. Also remember, all of those guys like Marty and Justin teach students in person.

I'd look for a good music SCHOOL. Or a well established shop that offers lessons. Ask to sit in and watch. I still take lessons today, but now my teacher is in a blues band and a classic rock band and plays backup in studios. So we are working on the finer points that make a difference. No more Mel Bay books, we do use some sheet music for some things. But sometimes he just has me use a box to solo while he plays rythym, or vice versa. I think that one of the best parts of taking lessons is having someone to play along with. Playing with others really helps you.

Even Randy Rhoads used to try and take a lesson in every place he could because as he said, there are people out there that can show you new things.


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