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Post subject: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:21 am
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I am a novice guitarist and have a question about saddle height screws. Is it merely a personal preference to either keep each individual saddle flush with both height adjustment screws exactly even? My first instinct says this would be the most stable way of doing it rather than having uneven height screws on a saddle angling the saddle. Obviously you want a radius, but a stepped radius or semi-circle? Here is a pick of how my strat was set up. I'm just not sure if I agree with the method. You can clearly see the different height of the screws in this picture I took. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:15 am
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I don't think it would matter enough for you to have to go and adjust these, but I would usually set up saddles so each one is parallel to the bridge plate, rather than angled like on your guitar. The sides of the saddles are square and meant to sit flush against one another, and I would expect even a slight angle would affect that.

Angling them might also cause the strings to slip about a bit more - although your saddles look quite 'deep' so I doubt that would be a problem. If/when you change strings, if you need to adjust the action then, then maybe square them up, but for now I'd just crack on and play it and not worry about it!

(I won't say it will affect tone... that might cause a long debate! :D )

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:17 am
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Many thing could be a matter of taste, but generaly saddle should follow neck radius . That is your saddle look , the way Fender adjust them.

If you adjust saddles parallele to the bridge plate , some strings will be too close from the fret and will buzz or string will be too far from the neck . More difficult to play.


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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:30 am
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Adjust the saddles so that their undersides are evenly parallel to the bridge plate. Of course, allow for conformity with the neck's radius. This will facilitate each string to sit squarely in its respective saddle as it was designed for a more even push/pull weight distribution, thus enhancing sustain and minimizing abnormal saddle wear along with those annoying 'mystery' clicks and buzzes.

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:00 am
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Adjust the saddles so that their undersides are evenly parallel to the bridge plate. Of course, allow for conformity with the neck's radius. This will facilitate each string to sit squarely in its respective saddle as it was designed for a more even push/pull weight distribution, thus enhancing sustain and minimizing abnormal saddle wear along with those annoying 'mystery' clicks and buzzes.


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That's the method I've always used.

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:33 pm
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Thanks for the replies. And for confirming what I thought was the only logical way to do it. I will not be returning to that place.

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:29 pm
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I will not be returning to that place.


That saddle configuration is not necessarily a bad method, JF. Everyone has their preference in that regard and if the set-up was otherwise satisfactory there's no reason for a boycott. Merely let the shop know how you prefer your saddles to be aligned next time you have occasion for guitar work. I'm sure they'll be happy to accommodate your wishes.

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:15 pm
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It's not really a boycott. I had one setup there on the advice of a friend and it did fix the problem I was having with the high E muting out on bends around the 13-17th frets.
I've just decided I will work on my guitar from now on, at least on small things like this.

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:42 pm
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Johnny_Funk wrote:
It's not really a boycott. I had one setup there on the advice of a friend and it did fix the problem I was having with the high E muting out on bends around the 13-17th frets.
I've just decided I will work on my guitar from now on, at least on small things like this.



+1 EVERY guitarist should be learn to do a set up on for all thier guitars :!:

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:29 am
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It doesn't matter, both ways make the string heights follow the radius of the fretboard.

However, tilting the saddles like that might(!) but not necessarily pruduce strange vibrating sounds at the bridge if a saddle accidentally is lifted on one side, leaving one screw without contact to the base plate.

I personally prefer the saddles horizontally (parallel to the base plate) with both screws resting on the baseplate.

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:27 am
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I think that I get the gist of your post. You're concerned about the angle of the Saddles? Someone else may have told you already, but they are suppose to follow the radius of the neck.


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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:40 pm
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paris wrote:
I think that I get the gist of your post. You're concerned about the angle of the Saddles? Someone else may have told you already, but they are suppose to follow the radius of the neck.


It's not the saddles, it's the strings which are supposed to follow the radius of the neck.
Since the strings run over the middle of the saddles, it doesn't matter (regarding the radius) if the saddles are tilted or parallel to the baseplate of the trem. Tilting the saddles will change nothing regarding string position.

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:25 pm
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Tilted saddles cause the angle of the string pressure to change from downward to slideways. I noticed an improvement in tone and tuning stability when the saddles are perfectly straight but in line with the radius of the neck. Keeping the strings at the same height across the board is following the radius of the fret used to make the measurement. Checking measurements at a few other frets up and down the board will confirm the radius at the fret used for the primary measurement.

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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:06 pm
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I always have mine tilted as yours are, so that the saddles themselves follow the radius of the neck. Makes for a smoother feel as I rest the heel of my hand on the saddles, with just a slight move onto the string for palm muting. I don't have any problem with the strings moving on the saddle, and with the groove that you have on those block saddles the strings aren't going to move at all. The "stair-step" looks and feels weird to me. Personal preference is most important.

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Post subject: Re: Saddle height screws
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:57 am
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Smokin' Frets wrote:
It's not the saddles, it's the strings which are supposed to follow the radius of the neck.
Since the strings run over the middle of the saddles, it doesn't matter (regarding the radius) if the saddles are tilted or parallel to the baseplate of the trem. Tilting the saddles will change nothing regarding string position.


I agree the strings should follow the radius of the neck, but I wonder if tilting the saddles could make a slight difference to the string position, by increasing the gap between strings? It seems to me that the higher the screws and the more the tilt, the bigger the gap could become. If the E, A and D strings tilted one way and the G, B and e strings tilted the other, couldn't you end up with uneven string spacing and a bigger space between D & G strings than the others?

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