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Post subject: TBX Pot with Lace Sensors
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:36 am
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Hi, I have a friend who says having a Lace sensor without a TBX switch will sound terrible. All a TBX switch does is give to both a bass and a treble cut, where is a normal pot just gives you a treble cut.

Im about to install a Lace sensor with a standard pot. I dont see how only having a normal pot will make it sound "bad". Im looking to call BS on my friend. Does anyone here have experience or an opinion on this?

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:39 pm
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Normal pots will sound fine with Lace Sensors. And a TBX does not cut bass. That is an internet legend started by some misinformed web sellers. It only increases treble, bass and output over a standard 250k tone pot. It is marginal, but that's what it does.


A TBX is a stacked tone pot with a detent at 5. From 0 to 5 covers the standard 250k tone pot. Once you get past the detent @ 5, the second pot, which is a 1 meg tone pot, begins to take over until you get to 10 when the 250k pot is finally out of the circuit completely. So from 0 to 5 you get 0k to 250k. From 5 to 10 you get 250k to 1000k. At 1000k, or 1 meg, more treble, more bass, and more output is getting through compared to your standard 250k tone pot.

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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:00 am
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That sounds pretty cool, thanks for the correction. I was wondering why the TBX pot looked like two pots stacked. I will probably still use a standard 250K pot but I think I will be looking into this TBX thing in the future, at least once I figure out how to wire it.

So do Fender guitars with Lace sensors ussally ship with TBX pots, some of them, all of them, none of them? Just wondering.

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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:24 pm
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I think the reason you see Lace Sensors attached to TBX pots is first because of the original Clapton Strat, which used the combo very effectively. And second because Fender began using both around the same time period. The TBX does work well with Lace Sensors, but it certainly isn't necessary.

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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:47 pm
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If anything, I would be against putting a TBX on the p'ups, the sensors sound amazing without them. Mine are resting on the stock 250k fender pots and I wouldn't put a TBX on them if it were supplied and installed free and perfectly. Knowing both the products, it sounds like a complete waste to me.


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Post subject: Re: TBX Pot with Lace Sensors
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:55 pm
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CloseYetFar wrote:
Hi, I have a friend who says having a Lace sensor without a TBX switch will sound terrible. All a TBX switch does is give to both a bass and a treble cut, where is a normal pot just gives you a treble cut.

Im about to install a Lace sensor with a standard pot. I dont see how only having a normal pot will make it sound "bad". Im looking to call BS on my friend. Does anyone here have experience or an opinion on this?

Thanks



I believe that the only Fender guitar still equipped with Lace Sensors is the MIA Buddy Guy. I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to get Buddy out of those and into something else Fender builds. The guitar he played at Chicago this summer was not his Polka-Dot. The Burton Tele used to have them but I believe they redesigned the p'ups even though the covers look the same.

This 'signature' business is just that.

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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:07 pm
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The TBX is really no big deal. The MAIN rason you don't see them as often anymore is because Fender came out with the "Delta Tone" tone pot, which is a similar concept. In some respects it is better and in other respects it's not as good. But more folks seem to like it better, so Fender has basically replaced the TBX with the Delta Tone.

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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:23 pm
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The TBX is really no big deal. The MAIN rason you don't see them as often anymore is because Fender came out with the "Delta Tone" tone pot, which is a similar concept. In some respects it is better and in other respects it's not as good. But more folks seem to like it better, so Fender has basically replaced the TBX with the Delta Tone.


I had the Delta Tone on my '97 Am St'd and the TBX in my '93 Clapton.
They seem to tailor the powerplants to the idea concept of the individual models

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